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Systemd isn't safe to run anywhere

14 points by stargrave 7y ago

jammygit 7y ago
If systemd is as bad as people say, why did every major distro adopt it? Honestly, it has been so dramatic to read about this - why did it go through almost everywhere if there are such concerns? Are the concerns unfounded?
- RL_Quine 7y ago
  Just because people are adding it to things doesn’t mean it’s any good. Most distros pipe all of their audio over TCP for absolutely no good reason too, also at the hands of Pottering.
  - jammygit 7y ago
    I recently read that sending audio over tcp was untenable and that Udp was the only way to go (at least for streaming)
    - RL_Quine 7y ago
      Tell that to Pulse Audio.
- kbr2000 7y ago
  I'm guessing it's comparable with like how Trumpalump got (and stays) in office... Any concerns will need to be dealt with afterwards, for the time being we'll just distract you with a big show! The author explains his views in some other posts, like * https://unixsheikh.com/articles/why-you-should-migrate-everything-from-linux-to-bsd.html https://unixsheikh.com/articles/why-you-should-migrate-every... * https://unixsheikh.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-systemd.html https://unixsheikh.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-s...
- LessDmesg 7y ago
  Because most people want a Lindows, not Linux. And a Lindows they got, with many pros and cons of Windows. Linux users will always be a minority because Linux is about tinkering and customization instead of a consistent corporation-concocted UX.
amluto 7y ago
This article is a rant with essentially no content. Why is it here?
abjKT26nO8 7y ago
I read a couple posts about systemd on this blog the first time the "Why you should migrate everything from Linux to BSD" article showed up on HN. Reading these articles made a bad impression on me about systemd. However, then I followed the links to the mailing lists and found the picture the author painted exaggerated and at times inaccurate. I, for one, am happy that there finally emerges a common (across Linux distros) "system layer" that applications can depend on. POSIX is often not enough.

14 points by stargrave 7y ago

If systemd is as bad as people say, why did every major distro adopt it? Honestly, it has been so dramatic to read about this - why did it go through almost everywhere if there are such concerns? Are the concerns unfounded?

RL_Quine 7y ago
Just because people are adding it to things doesn’t mean it’s any good. Most distros pipe all of their audio over TCP for absolutely no good reason too, also at the hands of Pottering.
- jammygit 7y ago
  I recently read that sending audio over tcp was untenable and that Udp was the only way to go (at least for streaming)
  - RL_Quine 7y ago
    Tell that to Pulse Audio.
kbr2000 7y ago
I'm guessing it's comparable with like how Trumpalump got (and stays) in office... Any concerns will need to be dealt with afterwards, for the time being we'll just distract you with a big show! The author explains his views in some other posts, like * https://unixsheikh.com/articles/why-you-should-migrate-everything-from-linux-to-bsd.html https://unixsheikh.com/articles/why-you-should-migrate-every... * https://unixsheikh.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-systemd.html https://unixsheikh.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-s...
LessDmesg 7y ago
Because most people want a Lindows, not Linux. And a Lindows they got, with many pros and cons of Windows. Linux users will always be a minority because Linux is about tinkering and customization instead of a consistent corporation-concocted UX.

amluto 7y ago

This article is a rant with essentially no content. Why is it here?

abjKT26nO8 7y ago

I read a couple posts about systemd on this blog the first time the "Why you should migrate everything from Linux to BSD" article showed up on HN. Reading these articles made a bad impression on me about systemd. However, then I followed the links to the mailing lists and found the picture the author painted exaggerated and at times inaccurate. I, for one, am happy that there finally emerges a common (across Linux distros) "system layer" that applications can depend on. POSIX is often not enough.