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Only sane way, you missed a word. Of course there are other ways, but they clearly flawed in my opinion. I used to hate web development before 2014 and now I lo

Only sane way, you missed a word. Of course there are other ways, but they clearly flawed in my opinion. I used to hate web development before 2014 and now I love it. Php is an awful language, jquery was a nightmare. Angular makes no sense hence why it keeps reinventing itself, Vue forces you to have some logic expressed using an ad hoc language in templates like it’s 2010 instead of just using JS constructs etc... I stand by my point, I am yet to find a use case where some form of react is not the best solution. Whether it is server side rendered, a single page app, or statically rendered. The only criticism I hear about react boil down to people complaining about bad practices that are not linked to react, but merely conflated with it, like not caring about bundle size, messing architecture or other aspects that are orthogonal.

izietto 7y ago
> Vue forces you to have some logic expressed using an ad hoc language in templates That's not true, you can use JSX with Vue, we do use that for one of our clients and it hasn't raised issues whatsoever
- crubier 7y ago
  You are right indeed, but from a developer point of view at that point you could be using a react based framework and your experience would be the similar to vue with JSX. Render functions returning JSX is the key brilliant idea invented by react and the fact that vue adopted it just proves the point even more: React or the ideas at the core of react are not the mistake of the last decade but the blessing of the last decade for web development (and more).
  - izietto 7y ago
    > from a developer point of view at that point you could be using a react based framework and your experience would be the similar to vue with JSX It will not, because Vue has a better integration with the data source (Vuex) and a better integration with the routing (Vue Router) I mean, I agree that React is an awesome framework implemented upon great design ideas (pure functions and plain JS templates), but it has its shortcomings, that frankly make me still prefer Vue to React (mainly Redux and the router)
    - crubier 7y ago
      For routing react-router is just perfect. And for data source/state management there is plenty of choice, I use Apollo for global state/data source and useState for small state full interactions, I can’t see how it could get simpler. But whatever floats you boat really, the point is that the nice part of vue are inspired by react anyway. I wish the two community merged, to be honest, I see no point in dividing for such small differences.
      - spaceribs 7y ago
        > But whatever floats you boat really You specifically argued against that, your arguments seem to be highly religious in nature. I don't know how many years you've worked in the industry but if you think React will be the dominant way of building apps for the next ten years, I have some Adobe Flash developers who I'm sure would like to say a few words.
        orange8 7y ago
        haha! Former hotshot Flash ActionScript 3 Ninja Developer reporting for duty as requested. Seriously though, JSX and TypeScript are nothing new. Both were part of ActionScript 3, a big language backed by a powerful company (Adobe). 15 years later, nobody even remembers it existed. How am I still making a comfortable living coding today? By not getting too attached to any language or framework... they are all just tools in the end. So let the young ones be, time will eventually teach them those lessons, sooner than they think.
        pier25 7y ago
        Huh? AS3 had XML integrated into it? I remember E4X and Flex but not a JSX like syntax.
        orange8 7y ago
        It wasn't exactly like JSX, more powerful as the XML was just another program data type to work with like strings and arrays.
- rawoke083600 7y ago
  I don't want a "you could..." in my framework... I want a "this is the way" in my framework. Thus me the dev before me... the dev after me can get on with things. It will not be the perfect solution but it will be a consistent solution... This is of course true for any framework.
goatlover 7y ago
> Whether it is server side rendered, a single page app, or statically rendered. Nail meet hammer. Seriously though, what why you need a JS framework for static pages? What if your backend is in Go? What if you're doing heavy duty numerical analysis? What if your users want a Wordpress-like site? What if your team uses Rails or Drupal to quickly build sites? You're saying React is better at everything?

izietto 7y ago

> Vue forces you to have some logic expressed using an ad hoc language in templates That's not true, you can use JSX with Vue, we do use that for one of our clients and it hasn't raised issues whatsoever

crubier 7y ago
You are right indeed, but from a developer point of view at that point you could be using a react based framework and your experience would be the similar to vue with JSX. Render functions returning JSX is the key brilliant idea invented by react and the fact that vue adopted it just proves the point even more: React or the ideas at the core of react are not the mistake of the last decade but the blessing of the last decade for web development (and more).
- izietto 7y ago
  > from a developer point of view at that point you could be using a react based framework and your experience would be the similar to vue with JSX It will not, because Vue has a better integration with the data source (Vuex) and a better integration with the routing (Vue Router) I mean, I agree that React is an awesome framework implemented upon great design ideas (pure functions and plain JS templates), but it has its shortcomings, that frankly make me still prefer Vue to React (mainly Redux and the router)
  - crubier 7y ago
    For routing react-router is just perfect. And for data source/state management there is plenty of choice, I use Apollo for global state/data source and useState for small state full interactions, I can’t see how it could get simpler. But whatever floats you boat really, the point is that the nice part of vue are inspired by react anyway. I wish the two community merged, to be honest, I see no point in dividing for such small differences.
    - spaceribs 7y ago
      > But whatever floats you boat really You specifically argued against that, your arguments seem to be highly religious in nature. I don't know how many years you've worked in the industry but if you think React will be the dominant way of building apps for the next ten years, I have some Adobe Flash developers who I'm sure would like to say a few words.
      - orange8 7y ago
        haha! Former hotshot Flash ActionScript 3 Ninja Developer reporting for duty as requested. Seriously though, JSX and TypeScript are nothing new. Both were part of ActionScript 3, a big language backed by a powerful company (Adobe). 15 years later, nobody even remembers it existed. How am I still making a comfortable living coding today? By not getting too attached to any language or framework... they are all just tools in the end. So let the young ones be, time will eventually teach them those lessons, sooner than they think.
        pier25 7y ago
        Huh? AS3 had XML integrated into it? I remember E4X and Flex but not a JSX like syntax.
        orange8 7y ago
        It wasn't exactly like JSX, more powerful as the XML was just another program data type to work with like strings and arrays.
rawoke083600 7y ago
I don't want a "you could..." in my framework... I want a "this is the way" in my framework. Thus me the dev before me... the dev after me can get on with things. It will not be the perfect solution but it will be a consistent solution... This is of course true for any framework.

goatlover 7y ago

> Whether it is server side rendered, a single page app, or statically rendered. Nail meet hammer. Seriously though, what why you need a JS framework for static pages? What if your backend is in Go? What if you're doing heavy duty numerical analysis? What if your users want a Wordpress-like site? What if your team uses Rails or Drupal to quickly build sites? You're saying React is better at everything?