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I'd be interested in a format that can replace TIFF, without the files being quite so enormous. However, it seems like all the FLIF tools are assuming you're co

I'd be interested in a format that can replace TIFF, without the files being quite so enormous. However, it seems like all the FLIF tools are assuming you're coming from PNG-land.

frandroid 7y ago
In what way has PNG not already replaced TIFF?
- labster 7y ago
  TIFF is a container format that allows you to add other features into the file. A good example of this is GeoTIFF, which is like a grid data file that also happens to be viewable as an image.
- emptybits 7y ago
  BTW, I know this because I recently embarked on some photo import/edit/management scripts and wondered the same thing you did: "Why isn't PNG a thing yet??" There are reasons. A few, from minor to major IMO: TIFF acknowledges EXIF and IPTC as first class data. PNG added EXIF data as an official extension a couple of years ago and I know ExifTool does support it but I'd want to check all applications in a workflow for import/edit/export support before trusting it. TIFF supports multiple pages (images) per file and also multilayer images (ala photo-editing). TIFF supports various colour spaces like CMYK and LAB. AFAIK, PNG only supports RGB/RGBA so for image or print professionals, that could be a non-starter. So I get why PNG can't warm photographers' hearts yet. Witness still the most common workflows: RAW->TIFF & RAW->JPEG.
yread 7y ago
TIFF is a versatile container format (like AVI) you can have tiffs with multiple images inside encoded with jpeg, jpeg xr, jp2k, LZW,... See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF#TIFF_Compression_Tag https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF#TIFF_Compression_Tag
jonsneyers 7y ago
TIFF is a very hairy animal, but I'm happy to report that JPEG XL will be able to offer most of the functionality TIFF is currently used for: - multi-layer (overlays), with named layers - high bit depth - metadata (the JXL file format will support not just Exif/XMP but also JUMBF, which gives you all kinds of already-standardized metadata, e.g. for 360) - arbitrary extra channels All that with state-of-the-art compression, both lossy and lossless.

I'd be interested in a format that can replace TIFF, without the files being quite so enormous. However, it seems like all the FLIF tools are assuming you're coming from PNG-land.

frandroid 7y ago

In what way has PNG not already replaced TIFF?

labster 7y ago
TIFF is a container format that allows you to add other features into the file. A good example of this is GeoTIFF, which is like a grid data file that also happens to be viewable as an image.
emptybits 7y ago
BTW, I know this because I recently embarked on some photo import/edit/management scripts and wondered the same thing you did: "Why isn't PNG a thing yet??" There are reasons. A few, from minor to major IMO: TIFF acknowledges EXIF and IPTC as first class data. PNG added EXIF data as an official extension a couple of years ago and I know ExifTool does support it but I'd want to check all applications in a workflow for import/edit/export support before trusting it. TIFF supports multiple pages (images) per file and also multilayer images (ala photo-editing). TIFF supports various colour spaces like CMYK and LAB. AFAIK, PNG only supports RGB/RGBA so for image or print professionals, that could be a non-starter. So I get why PNG can't warm photographers' hearts yet. Witness still the most common workflows: RAW->TIFF & RAW->JPEG.

yread 7y ago

TIFF is a versatile container format (like AVI) you can have tiffs with multiple images inside encoded with jpeg, jpeg xr, jp2k, LZW,... See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF#TIFF_Compression_Tag https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF#TIFF_Compression_Tag

jonsneyers 7y ago

TIFF is a very hairy animal, but I'm happy to report that JPEG XL will be able to offer most of the functionality TIFF is currently used for: - multi-layer (overlays), with named layers - high bit depth - metadata (the JXL file format will support not just Exif/XMP but also JUMBF, which gives you all kinds of already-standardized metadata, e.g. for 360) - arbitrary extra channels All that with state-of-the-art compression, both lossy and lossless.