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As an iPhone user, I am actually happy about this. When I buy my grandparent's an iPhone, I don't want them duped into going to a shady service shop. When I buy

As an iPhone user, I am actually happy about this. When I buy my grandparent's an iPhone, I don't want them duped into going to a shady service shop. When I buy a used iPhone from a regular person, I want to feel confident that the person was duped into having a shady shop service the phone. This is especially important as there are secure elements that are critical to iPhone security that have to be handled correctly. I trust Apple to get it right.

jrs95 7y ago
Trying to stop people is only going to make 3rd party repair options shadier, shittier, and more expensive. It's not going to prevent it entirely.
- twiceaday 7y ago
  Shadier, more expensive, and less common. And that's the goal.
hrktb 7y ago
I feel your concerns will only be addressed by buying Apple itself. That’s a peace of mind you won’t get at a lower price. Otherwise how do you feel about the regular person selling you a device that might have internal usage damage not apparent yet on the surface ? I feel a button that is about to fail, a screen that has been beaten enough to be near its end of life are as much of more probable as a repair shop setting defective parts on its customers devices.
andrewzah 7y ago
The only reason people would choose a shady shop vs Apple is pricing. If no decent alternatives exist for repair, Apple can charge whatever price they want (on top of the hefty sum for the item in the first place). Having other vendors forces Apple to at least think keeping their rates competitive. Apple will always exist as the primary place people go to get their products fixed... regardless if other people have the right to repair them or not. Apple aside, we need to be able to fix and repair the things we own. That vastly outweighs any oh-so-shady non-Apple vendors.
ClumsyPilot 7y ago
The old chestnut goes: People that give up liberty for safety deserve neither. Which secure elements are you concerned about, and please be specific? Is replacing the screen putting you at risk? How about the charging chip? This is really infuriating, but maybe we get what we deserve - you can literally take away people's essentials rights to do with their property as they see fit, and they will cheer for it! This, I find, is a good overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5cRU3_XaM0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5cRU3_XaM0
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
  From a liberty point of you, aren't you taking away Apple's freedom of association and forcing it to share it's proprietary information with competitors? Apple is free to have the repair policies they like, and I am free to buy or not buy Apple with their repair policies forming one of the inputs for my decision.
  - lordcorvin1 7y ago
    There's no need to share proprietary information to be able to repair things. Take a PC, you can repair it easily without infringing on Intel and AMD patents. Your argument is flawed
  - baq 7y ago
    why should a 300 billion-in-cash-or-whatever corporation enjoy the same freedoms as joe citizen? it doesn't make sense in a world in which money buys you more money, more lawyers, more freedom, more choices in general.
- rimliu 7y ago
  That old chestnut should die. https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/14/how-the-world-butchered-benjamin-franklins-quote-on-liberty-vs-security/ https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/14/how-the-world-butchered-be...
zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 7y ago
Could you explain why you think that the fact that you only want to buy services from Apple (or by extension products from people who only buy services from Apple) should be a reason to force everyone else to only buy services from Apple? This is not about whether you are allowed to find out whether a phone was repaired by Apple and then potentially refuse to buy it, this is about whether other people are allowed to have their phone repaired by parties other than Apple if that is what they would like to do.
- wrboyce 7y ago
  People who want to repair their own phones are free to purchase non-Apple hardware and do so. Nobody is being forced to do anything.
  - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 7y ago
    I have one simple question for you: Do you always, without exception, study every single line of terms and conditions of every purchase you make and every service you use until you have completely understood the legal implications of all of them before you actually enter into a contract? Or have you ever agreed to a contract without that level of investigation?
    - wrboyce 7y ago
      That isn’t a simple question, is it. At best it is loaded and unnecessarily complex. Anyway; do I always? Hell no. Have I ever? To the best of my ability, many times, yes.
    - wrboyce 7y ago
      That isn’t a simple question, is it. At best it is loaded and unnecessarily complex. Anyway; do I always? Hell no. Have I ever? To the best of my ability, many times, yes. EDIT: Oops, misread the second question. Yes, of course I have agreed to contracts without that level of investigation.
      - 7y ago

jrs95 7y ago

Trying to stop people is only going to make 3rd party repair options shadier, shittier, and more expensive. It's not going to prevent it entirely.

twiceaday 7y ago
Shadier, more expensive, and less common. And that's the goal.

hrktb 7y ago

I feel your concerns will only be addressed by buying Apple itself. That’s a peace of mind you won’t get at a lower price. Otherwise how do you feel about the regular person selling you a device that might have internal usage damage not apparent yet on the surface ? I feel a button that is about to fail, a screen that has been beaten enough to be near its end of life are as much of more probable as a repair shop setting defective parts on its customers devices.

andrewzah 7y ago

The only reason people would choose a shady shop vs Apple is pricing. If no decent alternatives exist for repair, Apple can charge whatever price they want (on top of the hefty sum for the item in the first place). Having other vendors forces Apple to at least think keeping their rates competitive. Apple will always exist as the primary place people go to get their products fixed... regardless if other people have the right to repair them or not. Apple aside, we need to be able to fix and repair the things we own. That vastly outweighs any oh-so-shady non-Apple vendors.

ClumsyPilot 7y ago

The old chestnut goes: People that give up liberty for safety deserve neither. Which secure elements are you concerned about, and please be specific? Is replacing the screen putting you at risk? How about the charging chip? This is really infuriating, but maybe we get what we deserve - you can literally take away people's essentials rights to do with their property as they see fit, and they will cheer for it! This, I find, is a good overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5cRU3_XaM0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5cRU3_XaM0

RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
From a liberty point of you, aren't you taking away Apple's freedom of association and forcing it to share it's proprietary information with competitors? Apple is free to have the repair policies they like, and I am free to buy or not buy Apple with their repair policies forming one of the inputs for my decision.
- lordcorvin1 7y ago
  There's no need to share proprietary information to be able to repair things. Take a PC, you can repair it easily without infringing on Intel and AMD patents. Your argument is flawed
- baq 7y ago
  why should a 300 billion-in-cash-or-whatever corporation enjoy the same freedoms as joe citizen? it doesn't make sense in a world in which money buys you more money, more lawyers, more freedom, more choices in general.
rimliu 7y ago
That old chestnut should die. https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/14/how-the-world-butchered-benjamin-franklins-quote-on-liberty-vs-security/ https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/14/how-the-world-butchered-be...

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 7y ago

Could you explain why you think that the fact that you only want to buy services from Apple (or by extension products from people who only buy services from Apple) should be a reason to force everyone else to only buy services from Apple? This is not about whether you are allowed to find out whether a phone was repaired by Apple and then potentially refuse to buy it, this is about whether other people are allowed to have their phone repaired by parties other than Apple if that is what they would like to do.

wrboyce 7y ago
People who want to repair their own phones are free to purchase non-Apple hardware and do so. Nobody is being forced to do anything.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 7y ago
  I have one simple question for you: Do you always, without exception, study every single line of terms and conditions of every purchase you make and every service you use until you have completely understood the legal implications of all of them before you actually enter into a contract? Or have you ever agreed to a contract without that level of investigation?
  - wrboyce 7y ago
    That isn’t a simple question, is it. At best it is loaded and unnecessarily complex. Anyway; do I always? Hell no. Have I ever? To the best of my ability, many times, yes.
  - wrboyce 7y ago
    That isn’t a simple question, is it. At best it is loaded and unnecessarily complex. Anyway; do I always? Hell no. Have I ever? To the best of my ability, many times, yes. EDIT: Oops, misread the second question. Yes, of course I have agreed to contracts without that level of investigation.
    - 7y ago