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> Nobody is going to knowingly fly on a 737 Max. I will respectfully disagree with you. Most airlines won't tell you your aircraft when you book a ticket and e

> Nobody is going to knowingly fly on a 737 Max. I will respectfully disagree with you. Most airlines won't tell you your aircraft when you book a ticket and even if they do, they seem allowed to change it at the last minute. If you have spent $500,$1000, $XXXX on a ticket, will you not board if you discover the plane has been switched? Will you avoid airlines that don't guarantee you a certain plane? There are not many great options to travel long distances quickly. If this plane becomes commonplace, I'm afraid consumers will be forced to use it. If there are other ideas on how this could play out, I'm happy to consider them, but I fear this is nearly a given.

thawaway1837 7y ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if ticket booking sites didn’t throw up a “this could potentially be a 737 Max plane” indicator the moment these planes are ungrounded. Because the first ticketing site that did that would gain a definite edge. And even if the airline doesn’t tell you what plane is flying, we know what routes and airlines are flying 737 Max’s, which is enough to raise an indicator. If that happens, flying a 737 Max may potentially cause airlines to lose money even if the particular flight isn’t a 737 Max, because it might be one.
kayfox 7y ago
My experience is most airlines in the US will tell you on booking, its just not put out in the open.
- nemetroid 7y ago
  And it will often say "38M" rather than "Boeing 737 MAX 8".
  - kayfox 7y ago
    Should be B38M. Its standard ICAO terminology. I haven't seen that sorta thing on booking sites, but its common on sites like FlightAware.
- inferiorhuman 7y ago
  The type of equipment an airline plans to use for a given route is generally decided upon well in advance. The information is typically not that hard to find. Most (American) airlines will show you when you search. https://i.imgur.com/h8k2IFK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/h8k2IFK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7xfQpQX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7xfQpQX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7Ax2AQh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7Ax2AQh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/z6YOo2G.jpg https://i.imgur.com/z6YOo2G.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QGxNFXp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QGxNFXp.jpg
blt 7y ago
> Most airlines won't tell you your aircraft when you book a ticket I don't think this is remotely true. I just checked Delta and British Airways; both show the aircraft type in "details". (Pick the 747 flights from BA while you still can!) > even if they do, they seem allowed to change it at the last minute Airlines shuffle aircraft occasionally, but usually the aircraft type for a particular flight is predictable. If airline A flies the 737 Max and airline B flies the A320 on the same route, people will flock to airline B.
- gpm 7y ago
  Last time I was on a delta flight, their terms of service (or whatever they call them) explicitly reserved the right to swap out the type of aircraft at any point in time. That was less than a year ago, I assume it is still the case.
  - oska 7y ago
    They won't swap you to a 737-MAX if they don't own any of that aircraft. Delta, your example, does not have any in service and has not ordered any. It's not hard to find out which airlines use the plane and which don't.
- yellow_lead 7y ago
  Your experience may vary to mine. Recently I tried to determine my aircraft for a connecting flight on Air Canada and I couldn't tell it before I booked the flight (maybe that is the distinction, before booking vs after).
  - 0xffff2 7y ago
    I just looked at flights on Air Canada's website and I can see the aircraft type under "details" there just like every single other booking website since online flight booking has been a thing.
oska 7y ago
It's quite easy to look up which airlines use this aircraft and which don't.[1] And further, which airlines are major purchasers of this aircraft (e.g. Southwest, Flydubai and Lion Air). And then avoid flying those airlines. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_...

thawaway1837 7y ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if ticket booking sites didn’t throw up a “this could potentially be a 737 Max plane” indicator the moment these planes are ungrounded. Because the first ticketing site that did that would gain a definite edge. And even if the airline doesn’t tell you what plane is flying, we know what routes and airlines are flying 737 Max’s, which is enough to raise an indicator. If that happens, flying a 737 Max may potentially cause airlines to lose money even if the particular flight isn’t a 737 Max, because it might be one.

kayfox 7y ago

My experience is most airlines in the US will tell you on booking, its just not put out in the open.

nemetroid 7y ago
And it will often say "38M" rather than "Boeing 737 MAX 8".
- kayfox 7y ago
  Should be B38M. Its standard ICAO terminology. I haven't seen that sorta thing on booking sites, but its common on sites like FlightAware.
inferiorhuman 7y ago
The type of equipment an airline plans to use for a given route is generally decided upon well in advance. The information is typically not that hard to find. Most (American) airlines will show you when you search. https://i.imgur.com/h8k2IFK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/h8k2IFK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7xfQpQX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7xfQpQX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7Ax2AQh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7Ax2AQh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/z6YOo2G.jpg https://i.imgur.com/z6YOo2G.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QGxNFXp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QGxNFXp.jpg

blt 7y ago

> Most airlines won't tell you your aircraft when you book a ticket I don't think this is remotely true. I just checked Delta and British Airways; both show the aircraft type in "details". (Pick the 747 flights from BA while you still can!) > even if they do, they seem allowed to change it at the last minute Airlines shuffle aircraft occasionally, but usually the aircraft type for a particular flight is predictable. If airline A flies the 737 Max and airline B flies the A320 on the same route, people will flock to airline B.

gpm 7y ago
Last time I was on a delta flight, their terms of service (or whatever they call them) explicitly reserved the right to swap out the type of aircraft at any point in time. That was less than a year ago, I assume it is still the case.
- oska 7y ago
  They won't swap you to a 737-MAX if they don't own any of that aircraft. Delta, your example, does not have any in service and has not ordered any. It's not hard to find out which airlines use the plane and which don't.
yellow_lead 7y ago
Your experience may vary to mine. Recently I tried to determine my aircraft for a connecting flight on Air Canada and I couldn't tell it before I booked the flight (maybe that is the distinction, before booking vs after).
- 0xffff2 7y ago
  I just looked at flights on Air Canada's website and I can see the aircraft type under "details" there just like every single other booking website since online flight booking has been a thing.

oska 7y ago

It's quite easy to look up which airlines use this aircraft and which don't.[1] And further, which airlines are major purchasers of this aircraft (e.g. Southwest, Flydubai and Lion Air). And then avoid flying those airlines. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_...