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I think this might have to do with the type of Asian-Americans that immigrate to the US. (esp. this generation) [Strike out] Asians mostly use high-skilled vis

by screye 7y ago

I think this might have to do with the type of Asian-Americans that immigrate to the US. (esp. this generation) [Strike out] Asians mostly use high-skilled visas / education based visas as a door to enter the nation. Almost by definition, this beings in the subset of Asians who grew up in a culture of education and hard work. [\Strike out] I think, the cultural boon/curse of living vicariously through your child also leads to parents pushing their child towards "lucrative" / "respected" careers. There might also be a snow-ball effect, where Asians aspire to pursue careers where Asians have traditionally succeeded. That would be professions in STEM fields, which have high median wages. [Strike out]The real title should be -> "Children of Asian immigrants who were top percentiles in their own countries, perform at a similarly high level"[\Strike out] edit: didn't see the lower quartile number. Renders my argument invalid.

CaoCao 7y ago
That's just immediately falsified by the fact that he's talking about children of Asian immigrants in the bottom quartile. The high-skilled visa workers are not in the bottom quartile.
- wyxuan 7y ago
  +1 to this. In order to even get an application for h1b there is even a requirement for employers that they are paid above a certain amount
  - whenanother 7y ago
    https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=google&job=&city=&year=2019 https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=google&job=&city=&year=201... assuming that google pays the highest h1b salaries, if you sort the jobs by lowest to highest earnings. you see that many are barely earning a little more than 100k in the most expensive cities in the world. if an apartment cost 2k a month and half your income goes to taxes. you are left with 25k to pay for food and a car and medical coverage. why would they do this?????!!!!! to get the word google on their resume. another issue is that people here are treating income as a measure of wealth. that's hilariously naive considering how so many ceo's today don't even take a salary. immigrants do not come here and severe all ties to their families in their home countries. you can not compare immigrants that are a specific sub group of people to a non-immigrant population which typically represents a wide range of demographics. it's the same argument made against those stats regarding how low females are paid. they never compare men and women in the same field of work. not only are you not comparing people in the same field of work, you are not comparing groups of people in the same class. immigrants are twice as likely to have a college education vs the non-immigrants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_of_immigrants_in_the_United_States#Overview https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_of_immigrants_in_the... "Parents’ educational level when the child was 8 years old significantly predicted educational and occupational success for the child 40 years later." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853053/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853053/ so this is a bs study that compares very different groups of of people to come up with a very misleading point.
rayiner 7y ago
> Asians mostly use high-skilled visas / education based visas as a door to enter the nation. The minimum salary for an H1-B Visa is $60,000, which would put someone at the 68-th percentile of individual income (or the fourth quantile). The statistics I am referring to are for asians whose parents had incomes in the lowest quantile (below about $19,000 today) between age 11-22. Now, that could capture a lot of immigrants who have skills or education back home, but are underemployed once here. (E.g. college degree back home, but working in food service here.) But it excludes immigrants who were able to use their degrees or skills to provide financial advantages to their kids in the U.S.
BurningFrog 7y ago
> Asians mostly use high-skilled visas / education based visas as a door to enter the nation I'd like to see some numbers on that. Lot's of Asians have come as refugees over the years, and also as family connections. Yeah, the ones I meet at my Silicon Valley job are highly educated and often on that kind of visa, but that's of course a big selection bias trap...

by screye 7y ago

CaoCao 7y ago

That's just immediately falsified by the fact that he's talking about children of Asian immigrants in the bottom quartile. The high-skilled visa workers are not in the bottom quartile.

wyxuan 7y ago
+1 to this. In order to even get an application for h1b there is even a requirement for employers that they are paid above a certain amount
- whenanother 7y ago
  https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=google&job=&city=&year=2019 https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=google&job=&city=&year=201... assuming that google pays the highest h1b salaries, if you sort the jobs by lowest to highest earnings. you see that many are barely earning a little more than 100k in the most expensive cities in the world. if an apartment cost 2k a month and half your income goes to taxes. you are left with 25k to pay for food and a car and medical coverage. why would they do this?????!!!!! to get the word google on their resume. another issue is that people here are treating income as a measure of wealth. that's hilariously naive considering how so many ceo's today don't even take a salary. immigrants do not come here and severe all ties to their families in their home countries. you can not compare immigrants that are a specific sub group of people to a non-immigrant population which typically represents a wide range of demographics. it's the same argument made against those stats regarding how low females are paid. they never compare men and women in the same field of work. not only are you not comparing people in the same field of work, you are not comparing groups of people in the same class. immigrants are twice as likely to have a college education vs the non-immigrants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_of_immigrants_in_the_United_States#Overview https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_of_immigrants_in_the... "Parents’ educational level when the child was 8 years old significantly predicted educational and occupational success for the child 40 years later." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853053/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853053/ so this is a bs study that compares very different groups of of people to come up with a very misleading point.

rayiner 7y ago

> Asians mostly use high-skilled visas / education based visas as a door to enter the nation. The minimum salary for an H1-B Visa is $60,000, which would put someone at the 68-th percentile of individual income (or the fourth quantile). The statistics I am referring to are for asians whose parents had incomes in the lowest quantile (below about $19,000 today) between age 11-22. Now, that could capture a lot of immigrants who have skills or education back home, but are underemployed once here. (E.g. college degree back home, but working in food service here.) But it excludes immigrants who were able to use their degrees or skills to provide financial advantages to their kids in the U.S.

BurningFrog 7y ago

> Asians mostly use high-skilled visas / education based visas as a door to enter the nation I'd like to see some numbers on that. Lot's of Asians have come as refugees over the years, and also as family connections. Yeah, the ones I meet at my Silicon Valley job are highly educated and often on that kind of visa, but that's of course a big selection bias trap...