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Been through an airport in the EU or going to the EU lately?

by chank 7y ago

bilekas 7y ago
That's not up to the EU. Thats up to the individual countries. The EU is a memebership of collective countries, not some all powerfull entity of controlling its memebers and telling them what to do.. It's not the same as the US federal system.
- matthewmacleod 7y ago
  That is true, but it’s also the case that EU countries agree to collective rule-making in some cases. If the member states agree, following the established process, that facial recognition should be disallowed throughout the EU then that’s something that can totally happen. Just like GDPR.
  - bilekas 7y ago
    All member states would need to agree to implement the banning of facial recognition for it to be effective. Again this is a descision which the members must agree to. And it is certainly possible. But there is not 1 entity who decides for all members.
- gdhbcc 7y ago
  How about all the mass surveillance programs the EU has been funding for decades that do use facial recognition?
  - Quanttek 7y ago
    What mass surveillance programs has the EU (not individual member states, like the UK or Germany) been funding "for decades"? The EU doesn't even have an intelligence service. The only entity I could be thinking about is Frontex.
- tremon 7y ago
  Not really. Visitors from outside the EU's "trusted sphere" will have their fingerprints taken at the border. Even though the EU is a membership of collective countries, this all-powerful entity is controlling its members and telling them to do this. Likewise, using facial recognition technology on airports is exactly within scope of the EU to mandate (or outlaw).
  - bilekas 7y ago
    > this all-powerful entity is controlling its members and telling them to do this. It's members make up the rules.. To get a facial recognition ban, all members must agree to implement it. Then it becomes part of the EU standards.. Members agree to it, then implement it. Its is NOT: "Well you have to implement this because you're a member of the EU" - It does not work that way.
  - ClumsyPilot 7y ago
    You do know that most rules must be agreed unanimously, and every country has a veto? Additionally, the borders aren't even managed by EU. There is shengen travel area, where countries agreed to remove internal borders and come up with one set of rules for external borders. This is entirely separate, and UK for example did not sign up to it.
- skrebbel 7y ago
  > controlling its memebers and telling them what to do This is exactly what EU directives and EU regulations are for. Every time the EU accepts either one of those, all members must follow them. EDIT: I'm confused that this gets downvoted. The EU has the power to force laws upon its members (not in every policy area, but in plenty) and it does so frequently. If that's not "telling member states what to do" then what is?
  - bilekas 7y ago
    > Every time the EU accepts either one of those, all members must follow them. Who do you think accepts them in the EU ? ... Hint : (All Members) > EU directives and EU regulations are for. Actually what they're for is to ensure everyone who is a members gets the fair shake, thats why those that we have have all been agreed by all members. And our Single market is pretty great. Not perfect, it will continue to improve by the work and effort of us members together, but it's unimaginably better than none. It's also extremely irresponsible to simply want to throw the toys out of the cot and not offer any real solutions; i.e : Brexit. There was no exit plan, just a lot of chest pounding and falsehoods about the EU. Thats why it took so long for the UK. Lets see how it plays out, I know all of Europe will be paying attention.
rgblambda 7y ago
Just yesterday had my face scanned at an EU airport. It appears that this is more do do with using facial recognition in public spaces (streets, town squares etc).

Been through an airport in the EU or going to the EU lately?

by chank 7y ago

Been through an airport in the EU or going to the EU lately?

That's not up to the EU. Thats up to the individual countries. The EU is a memebership of collective countries, not some all powerfull entity of controlling its memebers and telling them what to do.. It's not the same as the US federal system.

matthewmacleod 7y ago
That is true, but it’s also the case that EU countries agree to collective rule-making in some cases. If the member states agree, following the established process, that facial recognition should be disallowed throughout the EU then that’s something that can totally happen. Just like GDPR.
- bilekas 7y ago
  All member states would need to agree to implement the banning of facial recognition for it to be effective. Again this is a descision which the members must agree to. And it is certainly possible. But there is not 1 entity who decides for all members.
gdhbcc 7y ago
How about all the mass surveillance programs the EU has been funding for decades that do use facial recognition?
- Quanttek 7y ago
  What mass surveillance programs has the EU (not individual member states, like the UK or Germany) been funding "for decades"? The EU doesn't even have an intelligence service. The only entity I could be thinking about is Frontex.
tremon 7y ago
Not really. Visitors from outside the EU's "trusted sphere" will have their fingerprints taken at the border. Even though the EU is a membership of collective countries, this all-powerful entity is controlling its members and telling them to do this. Likewise, using facial recognition technology on airports is exactly within scope of the EU to mandate (or outlaw).
- bilekas 7y ago
  > this all-powerful entity is controlling its members and telling them to do this. It's members make up the rules.. To get a facial recognition ban, all members must agree to implement it. Then it becomes part of the EU standards.. Members agree to it, then implement it. Its is NOT: "Well you have to implement this because you're a member of the EU" - It does not work that way.
- ClumsyPilot 7y ago
  You do know that most rules must be agreed unanimously, and every country has a veto? Additionally, the borders aren't even managed by EU. There is shengen travel area, where countries agreed to remove internal borders and come up with one set of rules for external borders. This is entirely separate, and UK for example did not sign up to it.
skrebbel 7y ago
> controlling its memebers and telling them what to do This is exactly what EU directives and EU regulations are for. Every time the EU accepts either one of those, all members must follow them. EDIT: I'm confused that this gets downvoted. The EU has the power to force laws upon its members (not in every policy area, but in plenty) and it does so frequently. If that's not "telling member states what to do" then what is?
- bilekas 7y ago
  > Every time the EU accepts either one of those, all members must follow them. Who do you think accepts them in the EU ? ... Hint : (All Members) > EU directives and EU regulations are for. Actually what they're for is to ensure everyone who is a members gets the fair shake, thats why those that we have have all been agreed by all members. And our Single market is pretty great. Not perfect, it will continue to improve by the work and effort of us members together, but it's unimaginably better than none. It's also extremely irresponsible to simply want to throw the toys out of the cot and not offer any real solutions; i.e : Brexit. There was no exit plan, just a lot of chest pounding and falsehoods about the EU. Thats why it took so long for the UK. Lets see how it plays out, I know all of Europe will be paying attention.

rgblambda 7y ago

Just yesterday had my face scanned at an EU airport. It appears that this is more do do with using facial recognition in public spaces (streets, town squares etc).