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It's easier to load a real-time kernel in Debian than it is to install nvidia drivers. I haven't done it in a few years but a quick google search says that it'

by Teever 7y ago

It's easier to load a real-time kernel in Debian than it is to install nvidia drivers. I haven't done it in a few years but a quick google search says that it's as simple as: apt-get install linux-image-rt-amd64 on Debian. Hell it's probably easier to load a real-time kernel in Debian than it is to install video card drivers on any other operating system. T

pjmlp 7y ago
Simple while showing up shell commands don't combine for the crowd I am speaking of.
- cies 7y ago
  You were not speaking of a crowd in your original statement: > Regarding performance, on the other hand Linux/BSD still don't match macOS real time audio capabilities. It's better to say that you were wrong at this point then to try to shift yr statement to a popularity contest instead of the soft-realtime latency contest you, YOU, started with.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    They don't match, because I have been pointed out in this thread that I need to either install a special kernel version, go hunt for a customized Ubuntu version or compile a customized kernel. The macOS kernel doesn't require any of this, it just works. No audio professional using Apple hardware needs to learn these workarounds to actually do their work.
    - cies 7y ago
      > No audio professional using Apple hardware needs to learn these workarounds to actually do their work. You keep repeating this. But no one said this is not the case.
- yati 7y ago
  That seems pretty patronizing of that "crowd". Is the topic of this thread (the top-level, not the topic of audio latency) something that matters to that crowd you represent?
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    The topic is audio latency and keeping with the kernel that OS vendor ships. Only change allowed is installing drivers during user friendly tooling that any random user that just got their first laptop today is able to do. Failure to understand this, is why we are getting Year of Desktop Linux any day soon. Naturally there are other areas that BSD/Linux do better out-of-the-box, without requiring customized kernels.
- hedora 7y ago
  How about “install linux-image-rt-amd64 using the debian package manager GUI” then? (Not at a debian box to look up the start menu item name, and I don’t use the GUI these days...)
pacifika 7y ago
I don’t have to google to know how to install video card drivers
- Teever 7y ago
  No, you just have to go to the Nvidia website and fuck around for 5 minutes with nested lists of devices and models and shit the average user probably has no idea about just to download some incredibly huge download full of over complicated software that no one will ever use. At least this is how it has been every single time that I've installed an Nvidia driver on windows. I stand by my position, it is easier, and trivial to install a real-time kernel in Debian than it is to install an Nvidia driver in Windows. And if an audio professional can't be bothered to figure this out to make money while a teenaged gamer can figure out an Nvidia driver just to play games then they should maybe consider changing professions because this trivial roadblock will be the least of their technical worries in the audio world.

by Teever 7y ago

pjmlp 7y ago

Simple while showing up shell commands don't combine for the crowd I am speaking of.

cies 7y ago
You were not speaking of a crowd in your original statement: > Regarding performance, on the other hand Linux/BSD still don't match macOS real time audio capabilities. It's better to say that you were wrong at this point then to try to shift yr statement to a popularity contest instead of the soft-realtime latency contest you, YOU, started with.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  They don't match, because I have been pointed out in this thread that I need to either install a special kernel version, go hunt for a customized Ubuntu version or compile a customized kernel. The macOS kernel doesn't require any of this, it just works. No audio professional using Apple hardware needs to learn these workarounds to actually do their work.
  - cies 7y ago
    > No audio professional using Apple hardware needs to learn these workarounds to actually do their work. You keep repeating this. But no one said this is not the case.
yati 7y ago
That seems pretty patronizing of that "crowd". Is the topic of this thread (the top-level, not the topic of audio latency) something that matters to that crowd you represent?
- pjmlp 7y ago
  The topic is audio latency and keeping with the kernel that OS vendor ships. Only change allowed is installing drivers during user friendly tooling that any random user that just got their first laptop today is able to do. Failure to understand this, is why we are getting Year of Desktop Linux any day soon. Naturally there are other areas that BSD/Linux do better out-of-the-box, without requiring customized kernels.
hedora 7y ago
How about “install linux-image-rt-amd64 using the debian package manager GUI” then? (Not at a debian box to look up the start menu item name, and I don’t use the GUI these days...)

pacifika 7y ago

I don’t have to google to know how to install video card drivers

Teever 7y ago
No, you just have to go to the Nvidia website and fuck around for 5 minutes with nested lists of devices and models and shit the average user probably has no idea about just to download some incredibly huge download full of over complicated software that no one will ever use. At least this is how it has been every single time that I've installed an Nvidia driver on windows. I stand by my position, it is easier, and trivial to install a real-time kernel in Debian than it is to install an Nvidia driver in Windows. And if an audio professional can't be bothered to figure this out to make money while a teenaged gamer can figure out an Nvidia driver just to play games then they should maybe consider changing professions because this trivial roadblock will be the least of their technical worries in the audio world.