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That doesn't line up with your original argument You said MacOS got better performance in realtime audio Just because it's what musicians "get to" use doesn't
by IntelMiner 7y ago
That doesn't line up with your original argument
You said MacOS got better performance in realtime audio
Just because it's what musicians "get to" use doesn't make it better. It makes it a standard
- pjmlp 7y agoSure it does, macOS doesn't need a customized kernel build, it just works of the box. This is the typical answer, "Linux can do that, just need a special customised build and change a couple of config files and /proc settings on boot". This is not the same as what a standard kernel for consumer OS is supposed to be out of factory.
- fons 7y agoYou are mixing up capabilities with inconvenience.
- pjmlp 7y agoThen one wonders why Linux will never matter on the desktop, regardless of what Apple and Microsoft might do. Regular people aren't compiling kernels.
- einr 7y agoRegular people aren't compiling kernels, they're installing something like Ubuntu Studio (https://ubuntustudio.org/ https://ubuntustudio.org/) that comes with everything you need preconfigured out of the box.
- pjmlp 7y agoRegular people also don't install on OS distribution either, they buy a laptop/desktop system.
- coldtea 7y agoYou're mixing up capabilities with extra work with capabilities with no work. If OS X also had tailor made kernel just for lower real time latency it could do even better. But out of box, it's already better. That said, the point is moot. 99% of pro audio/MIDI apps/VSTs don't run on Linux, so only experimental nerdy musicians and FOSS zealots would use it for real studio work. You do get the occasional profile on music tech websites e.g. "Techno musician X uses Linux", and somebody always jumps in a forum to say they use some Linux DAW (and usually add a list of ugly hacks, workarounds, and things that don't work), but it's clearly a total outlier situation...
- WWLink 7y agoSomething something real world enterprise solution. Big megacorp using Dells everywhere with Windows. Bla bla bla.
- coldtea 7y agoSomething something snark missing the point. Nobody said Linux can't for some law of nature run music software. But it's empirically true that it both lacks 99% of music software people want to run, and that it's not used by 99% of musicians...
- Teever 7y agoIt's easier to load a real-time kernel in Debian than it is to install nvidia drivers. I haven't done it in a few years but a quick google search says that it's as simple as: apt-get install linux-image-rt-amd64 on Debian. Hell it's probably easier to load a real-time kernel in Debian than it is to install video card drivers on any other operating system. T
- pjmlp 7y agoSimple while showing up shell commands don't combine for the crowd I am speaking of.
- cies 7y agoYou were not speaking of a crowd in your original statement: > Regarding performance, on the other hand Linux/BSD still don't match macOS real time audio capabilities. It's better to say that you were wrong at this point then to try to shift yr statement to a popularity contest instead of the soft-realtime latency contest you, YOU, started with.
- pjmlp 7y agoThey don't match, because I have been pointed out in this thread that I need to either install a special kernel version, go hunt for a customized Ubuntu version or compile a customized kernel. The macOS kernel doesn't require any of this, it just works. No audio professional using Apple hardware needs to learn these workarounds to actually do their work.
- cies 7y ago> No audio professional using Apple hardware needs to learn these workarounds to actually do their work. You keep repeating this. But no one said this is not the case.
- yati 7y agoThat seems pretty patronizing of that "crowd". Is the topic of this thread (the top-level, not the topic of audio latency) something that matters to that crowd you represent?