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> it seems like an appropriate solution would be to allow individuals to release their DMV information to DHS at the time they apply What exactly does the DHS

> it seems like an appropriate solution would be to allow individuals to release their DMV information to DHS at the time they apply What exactly does the DHS need from the DMV for implementing TPP that they don't need for issuing enhanced drivers licenses that are REAL ID compliant? The whole pretext doesn't even make sense.

duckMuppet 7y ago
If NY law was/is blocking DHS from accessing the databases Real ID creates that feds are supposed to have access to, that should be grounds to stop any future TTP/GE patrons and should as well bar any current users of those services. That being said, i think it's a great thing and i totally disagree with states mandating facial ID databases that the feds have access to. The database they should possibly get access to is for passports imo.
pdonis 7y ago
> What exactly does the DHS need from the DMV for implementing TPP that they don't need for issuing enhanced drivers licenses that are REAL ID compliant? DHS doesn't issue REAL ID compliant driver's licenses. States do. The States have to comply with certain minimum standards for issuance, but that does not require States to vet each individual applicant with DHS.
hapless 7y ago
New York State doesn’t do REAL ID unless you want a combined license/passport document for travel to Canada.
- tehlike 7y ago
  They will have to. They probably have a temporary exemption until october, after that any resident that wants to fly will need a realid.
  - hapless 7y ago
    Right. In New York, unlike most states, REAL ID is both optional, and not offered unless you go out of your way to get it. You can still get a "normal" driver's license without any rigmarole. And that's fine with me. I have no reason to convert to a "REAL ID" (I already have to carry a passport for international travel, why do I need a "special" driver's license to satisfy the feds?)
    - andykx 7y ago
      I’m not sure if I’m misunderstanding, but you will need a Real ID to board domestic flights as well.
      - cthalupa 7y ago
        You can use a passport just fine to get onto a domestic flight too.
      - tehlike 7y ago
        Passport is fine. Some people can also use global entry card as a realid.
    - mdasen 7y ago
      > why do I need a "special" driver's license to satisfy the feds? Ultimately, because they say so. I'm genuinely curious: are you going to fly domestically with a passport after September? I'm not saying the government should have done REAL ID, but given that they seem intent on it I'm wondering what your plan is. For me, the reason to convert to a REAL ID is so that I can get on planes in the US. I had the option to go with a regular license, but that would have been inconvenient since I would have needed other ID to get on a plane, even for a domestic flight. Again, I'm not defending the government, just really curious what your plan is. Is it a protest?
      - tehlike 7y ago
        If you fly often, consider getting global entry if you are eligible. The card they give is a realid compliant federal id and can be used to board a plane.
- donohoe 7y ago
  No. They do. I have one.
URSpider94 7y ago
A REAL ID is simply a verifiable ID. The trusted traveler programs verify your ID, but also do a deep background check to determine if you are trustworthy to transit the border without inspection. I expect they may be looking up people’s driving records to look for DUI’s, hit-and-runs, etc.
- tssva 7y ago
  Access to driving records is not required for things such as DUI's and hit-and-runs. These are criminal offenses and as such are available through the same record searches used to determine if you have been convicted of grand larceny, murder, etc.

duckMuppet 7y ago

If NY law was/is blocking DHS from accessing the databases Real ID creates that feds are supposed to have access to, that should be grounds to stop any future TTP/GE patrons and should as well bar any current users of those services. That being said, i think it's a great thing and i totally disagree with states mandating facial ID databases that the feds have access to. The database they should possibly get access to is for passports imo.

pdonis 7y ago

> What exactly does the DHS need from the DMV for implementing TPP that they don't need for issuing enhanced drivers licenses that are REAL ID compliant? DHS doesn't issue REAL ID compliant driver's licenses. States do. The States have to comply with certain minimum standards for issuance, but that does not require States to vet each individual applicant with DHS.

hapless 7y ago

New York State doesn’t do REAL ID unless you want a combined license/passport document for travel to Canada.

tehlike 7y ago
They will have to. They probably have a temporary exemption until october, after that any resident that wants to fly will need a realid.
- hapless 7y ago
  Right. In New York, unlike most states, REAL ID is both optional, and not offered unless you go out of your way to get it. You can still get a "normal" driver's license without any rigmarole. And that's fine with me. I have no reason to convert to a "REAL ID" (I already have to carry a passport for international travel, why do I need a "special" driver's license to satisfy the feds?)
  - andykx 7y ago
    I’m not sure if I’m misunderstanding, but you will need a Real ID to board domestic flights as well.
    - cthalupa 7y ago
      You can use a passport just fine to get onto a domestic flight too.
    - tehlike 7y ago
      Passport is fine. Some people can also use global entry card as a realid.
  - mdasen 7y ago
    > why do I need a "special" driver's license to satisfy the feds? Ultimately, because they say so. I'm genuinely curious: are you going to fly domestically with a passport after September? I'm not saying the government should have done REAL ID, but given that they seem intent on it I'm wondering what your plan is. For me, the reason to convert to a REAL ID is so that I can get on planes in the US. I had the option to go with a regular license, but that would have been inconvenient since I would have needed other ID to get on a plane, even for a domestic flight. Again, I'm not defending the government, just really curious what your plan is. Is it a protest?
    - tehlike 7y ago
      If you fly often, consider getting global entry if you are eligible. The card they give is a realid compliant federal id and can be used to board a plane.
donohoe 7y ago
No. They do. I have one.

URSpider94 7y ago

A REAL ID is simply a verifiable ID. The trusted traveler programs verify your ID, but also do a deep background check to determine if you are trustworthy to transit the border without inspection. I expect they may be looking up people’s driving records to look for DUI’s, hit-and-runs, etc.

tssva 7y ago
Access to driving records is not required for things such as DUI's and hit-and-runs. These are criminal offenses and as such are available through the same record searches used to determine if you have been convicted of grand larceny, murder, etc.