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DHS Suspends Global Entry, Trusted Traveler Programs for New York Residents
- paulgb 7y agoI realize this is probably political grandstanding, but if they actually wanted to solve this it seems like an appropriate solution would be to allow individuals to release their DMV information to DHS at the time they apply for GlobalEntry or sell a car. As a fan of privacy, I kind of like the idea of it not being shared automatically.
- Alex3917 7y ago> it seems like an appropriate solution would be to allow individuals to release their DMV information to DHS at the time they apply What exactly does the DHS need from the DMV for implementing TPP that they don't need for issuing enhanced drivers licenses that are REAL ID compliant? The whole pretext doesn't even make sense.
- duckMuppet 7y agoIf NY law was/is blocking DHS from accessing the databases Real ID creates that feds are supposed to have access to, that should be grounds to stop any future TTP/GE patrons and should as well bar any current users of those services. That being said, i think it's a great thing and i totally disagree with states mandating facial ID databases that the feds have access to. The database they should possibly get access to is for passports imo.
- pdonis 7y ago> What exactly does the DHS need from the DMV for implementing TPP that they don't need for issuing enhanced drivers licenses that are REAL ID compliant? DHS doesn't issue REAL ID compliant driver's licenses. States do. The States have to comply with certain minimum standards for issuance, but that does not require States to vet each individual applicant with DHS.
- hapless 7y agoNew York State doesn’t do REAL ID unless you want a combined license/passport document for travel to Canada.
- tehlike 7y agoThey will have to. They probably have a temporary exemption until october, after that any resident that wants to fly will need a realid.
- hapless 7y agoRight. In New York, unlike most states, REAL ID is both optional, and not offered unless you go out of your way to get it. You can still get a "normal" driver's license without any rigmarole. And that's fine with me. I have no reason to convert to a "REAL ID" (I already have to carry a passport for international travel, why do I need a "special" driver's license to satisfy the feds?)
- andykx 7y agoI’m not sure if I’m misunderstanding, but you will need a Real ID to board domestic flights as well.
- mdasen 7y ago> why do I need a "special" driver's license to satisfy the feds? Ultimately, because they say so. I'm genuinely curious: are you going to fly domestically with a passport after September? I'm not saying the government should have done REAL ID, but given that they seem intent on it I'm wondering what your plan is. For me, the reason to convert to a REAL ID is so that I can get on planes in the US. I had the option to go with a regular license, but that would have been inconvenient since I would have needed other ID to get on a plane, even for a domestic flight. Again, I'm not defending the government, just really curious what your plan is. Is it a protest?
- URSpider94 7y agoA REAL ID is simply a verifiable ID. The trusted traveler programs verify your ID, but also do a deep background check to determine if you are trustworthy to transit the border without inspection. I expect they may be looking up people’s driving records to look for DUI’s, hit-and-runs, etc.
- tssva 7y agoAccess to driving records is not required for things such as DUI's and hit-and-runs. These are criminal offenses and as such are available through the same record searches used to determine if you have been convicted of grand larceny, murder, etc.
- Animats 7y agoIt's definitely political grandstanding. "Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf exclusively told Fox News' "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Wednesday that DHS was immediately suspending Global Entry and other Trusted Traveler Programs..." - Fox News. If it was being done for a real reason, it would appear as a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in the Federal Register. It's not even on the DHS global entry site.
- supernova87a 7y agoShort summary -- because NY DMV is now required by state legislation to block DHS/ICE from accessing certain driver's license / ID records, the Global Entry / Trusted Traveler programs are being denied to new enrollments or renewals by NY residents based on lacking the withheld information. Also a blocking of used vehicle sales out of the US. Not familiar enough with the DHS/ICE procedures to know whether this is being done "by the book" or as a sort of discretionary retaliation for withholding personal data from being shared.
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- wyxuan 7y agoUSCIS (or US Citizenship and Immigrations Services), and TSA are under the DHS, so I would imagine that it is important that they get that data. OTOH, I do understand the concern that ICE could get the info under the pretense of being something for DHS though.
- mattrp 7y agoThis Explaination should be at the top for the most complete version of events... however it is missing one critical detail that will connect the dots as to why new and renewal applications from my are denied: Cuomo just signed a law granting undocumented persons access to a drivers license. Add the complication that it will also not communicate with Ice.. I’m not commenting on this as right / wrong... just trying to bring clarity to why there is a dispute between ny and dhs. Also fwiw, real Id info sharing does not end with the “drivers license info” it requires states to share a ton of info that has nothing to do at all with your driving record.
- geofft 7y agoBut the Global Entry process doesn't depend on asking the state DMV if you're a legal resident... they ask separately for those documents, e.g., a passport.
- Taniwha 7y agoAnd the same coming for California in 3..2..1...
- jennyyang 7y agoWait did California do the same thing???
- CaliforniaKarl 7y agoNot that I'm aware of.
- masonic 7y agoYes, in the sense that they avoided RealID compliance via getting exemptions from the Obama administration every year.
- olliej 7y agoThey could simply require explicit consent, but this is CBP and DHS want carte blanche access to all D/Ls all of the time for all people irrespective whether they're application to the GE and TTP. Essentially DHS and CBP want to pick up anyone they think is illegal and send them to concentration camps, and because NY has stated that they won't provide such information to organizations not involved in road and driver safety they've decided that they want to try to punish all New Yorkers. I can't imagine this withstanding any kind of scrutiny - legislation of DMVs have repeatedly been found to be a state right, and the constitution prohibits federal agencies from having different policies for different states (that's why the voters rights act got killed).
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- mindslight 7y agoIncreasing privacy for residents, and reducing the ability to buy into the comfortable side of totalitarianism. This is a double win! It probably won't stay this way, but we can dream.
- avocado4 7y agoIf NYC doesn't like the Federal Government enforcing the immigration laws, maybe they should lobby to change the laws instead of trying to prevent enforcement?
- parkovski 7y agoIf you don't like what NYC is doing maybe you should lobby them? I'm sure they'd listen to you just as much as the current federal government would listen to NYC.
- avocado4 7y agoI don't have a horse in this race. And I don't like the current immigration laws, I'd rather have legally open borders. But it doesn't mean existing laws shouldn't be enforced IMO.
- URSpider94 7y agoState governments have no duty to enforce Federal laws.
- ta999999171 7y agoBut they do have a legal obligation, in certain cases, as a side effect of taking Fed funding. Not in agreement with it, just worth noting.
- vertex-four 7y agoSo you’re going to go to the police now with the information you have on your friends’/coworkers’ drug habits, right? After all, laws should be enforced, and everyone should proactively give any support they might be able to give to the police.
- refurb 7y agoThat’s not what he’s saying at all.
- hapless 7y agoThe real story here is that this is a punishment for NYS issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. The Trump administration is angry that undocumented persons might have driver's licenses, and yet, that info might not be passed to ICE for no-knock raids and other "fun." The state has important interests at stake: driver's exams, insurance, eye tests, etc. The law was passed for very basic nuts-and-bolts purposes, not to defend some starry-eyed vision of open borders. It is better for NYS and the residents of NYS if illegal immigrants participate in driver licensing the same way as people with other federal statuses. Licensing illegal and undocumented immigrants upholds public order and keeps the roads safer. The Trump administration now wishes to mine NY DMV records in order to make ICE actions easier, and the state declines to assist them. This is the result of thwarting Trump's pets in the executive branch: cheap and stupid revenge.
- Analemma_ 7y agoI have no love for the Trump administration or its immigration policy, but the Real ID Act was passed in 2005 and the TSA announced compliance deadlines in 2013.
- asveikau 7y agoI remember real ID being called controversial in 2005. I wonder if that might have something to do with the fact that it took them ~15 years before somebody said "yes, we're really doing it this year". See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act#Controversy_and_opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act#Controversy_and_op...
- netsharc 7y agoThe phrasing "DHS's efforts to keep our Nation secure" made me smirk. "Nation" capitalized, as if it's a deity. The phrase itself written to make DHS sound like the heroes... Why not just replace it with "Fatherland", or better, "Vaterland"?
- MrEldritch 7y ago"You know who else cared about the country they lived in? NAZIS!"
- mr_overalls 7y agoThe trip from healthy patriotism to toxic nationalism (aka fascism) is sometimes a short one, friend. It's good to observe the signpots - and to heed how many we've seen already with this administration. https://forward.com/fast-forward/361808/holocaust-museum-poster-listing-fascisms-warning-signs-goes-viral/ https://forward.com/fast-forward/361808/holocaust-museum-pos...
- mattrp 7y agoHomeland isn’t scary enough? /s
- orbz 7y agoFun fact: The GPO actually recommends capitalizing "Nation" when used to describe the United States in any and all government writing.