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So go back to the 90s? Microsoft being the reigning king? Not sure if this time period was honestly better. Or alternatively, give users ownership of their da

So go back to the 90s? Microsoft being the reigning king? Not sure if this time period was honestly better. Or alternatively, give users ownership of their data like the EU has taken steps to do. Advertising is here to stay and provides its own use. But there could be something that forces transparency.

rhizome 7y ago
>Not sure if this time period was honestly better. Canter and Siegel was in 1994.
geophile 7y ago
How about no free stuff on the web? Charge for services and make it illegal to sell private information without the subject’s consent and remuneration.
- dontblink 7y ago
  Making it illegal won't solve much. E.g. FB doesn't sell private information, they sell the ability to target demographics. However I understand the underlying principle which you are espousing. The genie is out of the bottle at this point. IMHO the only method forward is how do we as a society responsibly allow for coexistence such that all parties are satisfied.
  - ardy42 7y ago
    >> How about no free stuff on the web? Charge for services and make it illegal to sell private information without the subject’s consent and remuneration. > Making it illegal won't solve much. E.g. FB doesn't sell private information, they sell the ability to target demographics. You just need to appropriately specify what's being made illegal. You're right that FB could weasel out of a law that outlawed selling private information. They couldn't weasel out of a law that outlawed monetizing personal data without user consent.
    - mdhardeman 7y ago
      Precisely. And then extend it further. Make advertisers responsible for the behavior of the ad marketplaces, ad tech, ad venues they're paying. Make their only defense be cooperation in prosecuting the offending party.
  - mdhardeman 7y ago
    The way to criminalize it properly is to create a presumption of criminal activity when an advertiser benefits from ad targeting. Literally anything more than the advertiser choosing what sites to appear on should be made criminal. No other criteria allowed.

rhizome 7y ago

>Not sure if this time period was honestly better. Canter and Siegel was in 1994.

geophile 7y ago

How about no free stuff on the web? Charge for services and make it illegal to sell private information without the subject’s consent and remuneration.

dontblink 7y ago
Making it illegal won't solve much. E.g. FB doesn't sell private information, they sell the ability to target demographics. However I understand the underlying principle which you are espousing. The genie is out of the bottle at this point. IMHO the only method forward is how do we as a society responsibly allow for coexistence such that all parties are satisfied.
- ardy42 7y ago
  >> How about no free stuff on the web? Charge for services and make it illegal to sell private information without the subject’s consent and remuneration. > Making it illegal won't solve much. E.g. FB doesn't sell private information, they sell the ability to target demographics. You just need to appropriately specify what's being made illegal. You're right that FB could weasel out of a law that outlawed selling private information. They couldn't weasel out of a law that outlawed monetizing personal data without user consent.
  - mdhardeman 7y ago
    Precisely. And then extend it further. Make advertisers responsible for the behavior of the ad marketplaces, ad tech, ad venues they're paying. Make their only defense be cooperation in prosecuting the offending party.
- mdhardeman 7y ago
  The way to criminalize it properly is to create a presumption of criminal activity when an advertiser benefits from ad targeting. Literally anything more than the advertiser choosing what sites to appear on should be made criminal. No other criteria allowed.