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This is yet another reason to move away from MacOS. The blocking of 32-bit apps, a requirement to have Apple notarize every application, and now the removal of

by gentle 7y ago

This is yet another reason to move away from MacOS. The blocking of 32-bit apps, a requirement to have Apple notarize every application, and now the removal of kexts. If Apple still made great software and even better hardware then I wouldn't care, but that hasn't been the case for years.

favorited 7y ago
If you've been unhappy with hardware and software for years, why haven't you moved to another platform? At least your OS if you didn't want to buy new hardware.
- trevyn 7y ago
  Other platforms are even worse right now, in different ways. Perhaps that will change, or perhaps Apple will get so bad that they’re no longer the least-worst option.
- viraptor 7y ago
  You effectively can't use alternative OSes on new mbps easily. Drivers are not available and wifi firmware is broken (wontfix, don't care) for use with Linux stack. Reasons to stick with them: company purchasing policy.
  - georgebarnett 7y ago
    Your company will only purchase macs? Is there no windows option? That would be .. unusual.
    - viraptor 7y ago
      There is, but the choice available doesn't quite work for developers. In my opinion anyway. (reasonable for generic office workers though)
monkin 7y ago
> If Apple still made great software and even better hardware then I wouldn't care, but that hasn't been the case for years. Can you tell what is a better hardware and/or software for you?
Razengan 7y ago
Notarization is not required, and kexts [will] have a userspace alternate.
- userbinator 7y ago
  Notarization is not required ...for now. and kexts [will] have a userspace alternate. ...which is unlikely to have the same performance and control benefits as running "on the hardware", and I bet they will also gradually lobotomise the APIs in userspace too. Apple's control-freak attitude is nothing new. This is just another step along their plan to turn desktops and laptops into the same dumbed-down walled-garden platform as mobile devices.
  - kitsunesoba 7y ago
    I understand where this sentiment is coming from but I think that it may be a little alarmist. Security has been lagging behind in desktop operating systems for a long time now… it was only a matter of time that they’d catch up because it’s become increasingly clear that unquestionably running code that can steal or destroy user data and especially code with kernel access is a catastrophically bad idea in an always-connected world. I suspect that even Linux will be adopting a more restrictive (if decentralized and overridable) model for third party binaries sooner than later.
    - userbinator 7y ago
      Two decades ago, most people thought Stallman was alarmist... but he was right. because it’s become increasingly clear that unquestionably running code that can steal or destroy user data and especially code with kernel access is a catastrophically bad idea in an always-connected world ...and over the years I have increasingly become convinced that "security" is simply a convenient and difficult-to-oppose excuse to take away freedoms and push society towards an authoritarian dystopia by spreading such fearmongering paranoia. There's enough sci-fi around to show what that could look like.
      - deleted 7y ago
self_awareness 7y ago
Why does notarization bother you as a user? It doesn't change how you use the system. Did you had any 32-bit software that don't exist as 64-bit versions?
- Rebelgecko 7y ago
  >Did you had any 32-bit software that don't exist as 64-bit versions? I have at least a dozen off the top of my head. Probably more if I actually checked (which is why I'm not upgrading)
cerberusss 7y ago
I think this is great, as a user. I've never liked kernel extensions, and always suspected them as a source of instability.
- Corrado 7y ago
  I agree. I work in healthcare and HIPAA rules dictate some sort of Anti-Virus solution for all computers (stupid rule!). My employer chose Sophos, which uses several extensions, and my system is definitely more unstable and less performant because of it. Hopefully forcing vendors to use the proper APIs and preventing them from monkeying around with the kernel will improve my experience.

by gentle 7y ago

favorited 7y ago

If you've been unhappy with hardware and software for years, why haven't you moved to another platform? At least your OS if you didn't want to buy new hardware.

trevyn 7y ago
Other platforms are even worse right now, in different ways. Perhaps that will change, or perhaps Apple will get so bad that they’re no longer the least-worst option.
viraptor 7y ago
You effectively can't use alternative OSes on new mbps easily. Drivers are not available and wifi firmware is broken (wontfix, don't care) for use with Linux stack. Reasons to stick with them: company purchasing policy.
- georgebarnett 7y ago
  Your company will only purchase macs? Is there no windows option? That would be .. unusual.
  - viraptor 7y ago
    There is, but the choice available doesn't quite work for developers. In my opinion anyway. (reasonable for generic office workers though)

monkin 7y ago

> If Apple still made great software and even better hardware then I wouldn't care, but that hasn't been the case for years. Can you tell what is a better hardware and/or software for you?

Razengan 7y ago

Notarization is not required, and kexts [will] have a userspace alternate.

userbinator 7y ago
Notarization is not required ...for now. and kexts [will] have a userspace alternate. ...which is unlikely to have the same performance and control benefits as running "on the hardware", and I bet they will also gradually lobotomise the APIs in userspace too. Apple's control-freak attitude is nothing new. This is just another step along their plan to turn desktops and laptops into the same dumbed-down walled-garden platform as mobile devices.
- kitsunesoba 7y ago
  I understand where this sentiment is coming from but I think that it may be a little alarmist. Security has been lagging behind in desktop operating systems for a long time now… it was only a matter of time that they’d catch up because it’s become increasingly clear that unquestionably running code that can steal or destroy user data and especially code with kernel access is a catastrophically bad idea in an always-connected world. I suspect that even Linux will be adopting a more restrictive (if decentralized and overridable) model for third party binaries sooner than later.
  - userbinator 7y ago
    Two decades ago, most people thought Stallman was alarmist... but he was right. because it’s become increasingly clear that unquestionably running code that can steal or destroy user data and especially code with kernel access is a catastrophically bad idea in an always-connected world ...and over the years I have increasingly become convinced that "security" is simply a convenient and difficult-to-oppose excuse to take away freedoms and push society towards an authoritarian dystopia by spreading such fearmongering paranoia. There's enough sci-fi around to show what that could look like.
    - deleted 7y ago

self_awareness 7y ago

Why does notarization bother you as a user? It doesn't change how you use the system. Did you had any 32-bit software that don't exist as 64-bit versions?

Rebelgecko 7y ago
>Did you had any 32-bit software that don't exist as 64-bit versions? I have at least a dozen off the top of my head. Probably more if I actually checked (which is why I'm not upgrading)

cerberusss 7y ago

I think this is great, as a user. I've never liked kernel extensions, and always suspected them as a source of instability.

Corrado 7y ago
I agree. I work in healthcare and HIPAA rules dictate some sort of Anti-Virus solution for all computers (stupid rule!). My employer chose Sophos, which uses several extensions, and my system is definitely more unstable and less performant because of it. Hopefully forcing vendors to use the proper APIs and preventing them from monkeying around with the kernel will improve my experience.