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There are a category of people that vaccines are useless for. Elderly and very young who have very weak systems. People are deathly ill with some other disease

There are a category of people that vaccines are useless for. Elderly and very young who have very weak systems. People are deathly ill with some other disease already. And people with no immune system at all. (auto-immune disease) These categories (and maybe others) are widely known (no disputes what so ever) in the medical industry. So why do people get so irrational around any discussions about vaccines? They simply don't help everyone, this is a fact.

yellowapple 7y ago
> There are a category of people that vaccines are useless for. And as long as everyone else interacting with those people are vaccinated, those people will benefit from herd immunity. That is: vaccines are prevention, even for those people who cannot be vaccinated. > So why do people get so irrational around any discussions about vaccines? Because "discussions about vaccines" almost always ends up being a dogwhistle for "vaccines are harmful" and/or "people who can be vaccinated shouldn't be vaccinated".
- RobertRoberts 7y ago
  Vaccines are not the only prevention methods. Look at the CDC links. Vaccines are a sacred cow to too many people. They have flaws and aren't perfect.
  - yellowapple 7y ago
    Everything has flaws. That doesn't mean we should disregard them. Vaccines are an effective first line of defense. If you are able to be vaccinated, there is zero good reason to not do so (besides perhaps cost, but they're typically a lot cheaper than other methods of prevention). It ain't about "sacred cows"; it's about what actually works and is safe and effective and practical, and vaccines are all of the above.
    - RobertRoberts 7y ago
      Vaccine deficiencies is a scientific discussion, which is _why_ we need multiple preventions. No one single method is perfect, so the more we have the better off we are. But just brining up "prevention" some how generates irate irrational responses. Yes, vaccines have become a sacred cow. If you say vaccines are perfect, your are unscientific and pushing propaganda. If you can't openly discuss the flaws of vaccines, then it's a sacred cow to you. A challenge: discuss the imperfections of vaccines.
      - yellowapple 7y ago
        > If you say vaccines are perfect Nobody said that.
        RobertRoberts 7y ago
        I have yet had a single discussion where someone reasonable offered both sides of the vaccine use, the positives and negatives. Nearly everyone I meet is so irrational that there can't be a scientific discussion about vaccines. Can you propose one single negative to vaccine use?
        yellowapple 7y ago
        > Can you propose one single negative to vaccine use? Can you?

yellowapple 7y ago

> There are a category of people that vaccines are useless for. And as long as everyone else interacting with those people are vaccinated, those people will benefit from herd immunity. That is: vaccines are prevention, even for those people who cannot be vaccinated. > So why do people get so irrational around any discussions about vaccines? Because "discussions about vaccines" almost always ends up being a dogwhistle for "vaccines are harmful" and/or "people who can be vaccinated shouldn't be vaccinated".

RobertRoberts 7y ago
Vaccines are not the only prevention methods. Look at the CDC links. Vaccines are a sacred cow to too many people. They have flaws and aren't perfect.
- yellowapple 7y ago
  Everything has flaws. That doesn't mean we should disregard them. Vaccines are an effective first line of defense. If you are able to be vaccinated, there is zero good reason to not do so (besides perhaps cost, but they're typically a lot cheaper than other methods of prevention). It ain't about "sacred cows"; it's about what actually works and is safe and effective and practical, and vaccines are all of the above.
  - RobertRoberts 7y ago
    Vaccine deficiencies is a scientific discussion, which is _why_ we need multiple preventions. No one single method is perfect, so the more we have the better off we are. But just brining up "prevention" some how generates irate irrational responses. Yes, vaccines have become a sacred cow. If you say vaccines are perfect, your are unscientific and pushing propaganda. If you can't openly discuss the flaws of vaccines, then it's a sacred cow to you. A challenge: discuss the imperfections of vaccines.
    - yellowapple 7y ago
      > If you say vaccines are perfect Nobody said that.
      - RobertRoberts 7y ago
        I have yet had a single discussion where someone reasonable offered both sides of the vaccine use, the positives and negatives. Nearly everyone I meet is so irrational that there can't be a scientific discussion about vaccines. Can you propose one single negative to vaccine use?
        yellowapple 7y ago
        > Can you propose one single negative to vaccine use? Can you?