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The erosion of wages has many causes, not just women having more equal opportunity in the workforce. I’d argue wages have been much more affected by the accumul

The erosion of wages has many causes, not just women having more equal opportunity in the workforce. I’d argue wages have been much more affected by the accumulation of wealth into the top of the food chain. And that aside, what’s the alternative? Relegate women to work only as teachers and secretaries because some of them want to be stay at home moms?

growlist 7y ago
> And that aside, what’s the alternative? Relegate women to work only as teachers and secretaries because some of them want to be stay at home moms? I was just pointing out that along with the women who cannot wait to get back to work there are also plenty that are perfectly happy to give up work forever - for some having a child and especially the early years are the most meaningful thing that happens in their entire life. I think it's worth making this point because we have this pro-career consensus that perhaps mainly caters to and benefits a small group of highly exceptional people at the top, and which is not necessarily good for society. This is the paradoxical nature of the thing: attempt to emancipate women; in reality end up making them work like dogs for 40 years and (for many soon it seems) die childless.
- the_af 7y ago
  > This is the paradoxical nature of the thing: attempt to emancipate women; in reality end up making them work like dogs for 40 years and (for many soon it seems) die childless. This is begging the question. Nothing you've said has shown this is the reality.
- watwut 7y ago
  That would suggest that men are working like dogs all the time, should not we try to improve their lives too?
  - growlist 7y ago
    Again, plenty of men want to work like dogs. Some of these provisions now have an element of coercing men not to work as hard. Punishing ambition is now ok?
    - watwut 7y ago
      Men who are ambitious and want to work a lot don't refer to work as "work like a dog". That is expression used by people who are resentful. Even you used that expression to make women working sound undesirable. And of course, "plenty of men" is massively different then "all men". There are still many men who have jobs they don't like, bosses that hate or who mistreat them and more hours and stress in work that they would like. Other men having jobs they like changes nothing on that.
UnFleshedOne 7y ago
And take it to the next level -- influx of unmarried men into workforce lowers wages for heads of families, so ban those too.

growlist 7y ago

> And that aside, what’s the alternative? Relegate women to work only as teachers and secretaries because some of them want to be stay at home moms? I was just pointing out that along with the women who cannot wait to get back to work there are also plenty that are perfectly happy to give up work forever - for some having a child and especially the early years are the most meaningful thing that happens in their entire life. I think it's worth making this point because we have this pro-career consensus that perhaps mainly caters to and benefits a small group of highly exceptional people at the top, and which is not necessarily good for society. This is the paradoxical nature of the thing: attempt to emancipate women; in reality end up making them work like dogs for 40 years and (for many soon it seems) die childless.

the_af 7y ago
> This is the paradoxical nature of the thing: attempt to emancipate women; in reality end up making them work like dogs for 40 years and (for many soon it seems) die childless. This is begging the question. Nothing you've said has shown this is the reality.
watwut 7y ago
That would suggest that men are working like dogs all the time, should not we try to improve their lives too?
- growlist 7y ago
  Again, plenty of men want to work like dogs. Some of these provisions now have an element of coercing men not to work as hard. Punishing ambition is now ok?
  - watwut 7y ago
    Men who are ambitious and want to work a lot don't refer to work as "work like a dog". That is expression used by people who are resentful. Even you used that expression to make women working sound undesirable. And of course, "plenty of men" is massively different then "all men". There are still many men who have jobs they don't like, bosses that hate or who mistreat them and more hours and stress in work that they would like. Other men having jobs they like changes nothing on that.

UnFleshedOne 7y ago

And take it to the next level -- influx of unmarried men into workforce lowers wages for heads of families, so ban those too.