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I'm fine with Wacom collecting this kind of data as long as it doesn't open any security holes. There are certain classes of products where I would not care wha

I'm fine with Wacom collecting this kind of data as long as it doesn't open any security holes. There are certain classes of products where I would not care what they collected as long as it was relevant to improving the product. i.e. Wacom wants to know popular apps I use my tablet on, ok. If they wanted to know my approx location though then I'd be alarmed.

kovacs_x 7y ago
Haven't you thought that they know this already by your ip address? ;)
- excerionsforte 7y ago
  This is very basic information. Wacom makes drawing tablets which is usually in a static place for me.
CarelessExpert 7y ago
Then they should be very open, up front, and explicit about asking for your consent, including describing what they will be collecting, and also making it very clear you can decline without negative consequences. I'm fairly comfortable with data collection if the user opts in, but the current trend--dark patterns where you put out a blanket "we will collect stuff" disclaimer that lacks any specifics, while not making it clear what the consequences are of declining--is deeply troubling and, I hope, becomes illegal thanks to things like GDPR and CCPA.
- AJ007 7y ago
  It is illegal under GDPR. Under CCPA you request all of this information Wacom has, and also tell them to delete it.
criddell 7y ago
Of course they want to know your approximate location. It will probably help them target ads for the next iteration of the tablet.
- excerionsforte 7y ago
  Huh? I don't think you own or bought a Wacom Tablet nor do you do any digital art. It is safe to say this is a troll/no effort comment.
  - criddell 7y ago
    I didn't say they collect that information but I can see how they could use it. FWIW, I don't use a Wacom tablet but my daughter does. I personally use Procreate on an iPad Pro.
    - excerionsforte 7y ago
      Who said you said that? If you had done the research you would have not mentioned ADs. Where in the world does one get the idea they can places ADs on the hardware? Your commentary looks very very low effort snide attempt at humor. There is zero substance in the post as there isn't anything to discuss in it. > Wacom’s privacy policy does say that they only want this data for product development purposes, and on this point I do actually believe them. That piece from the post alone makes me wonder if you read that in the post as well before you commented. There are many things one can do with data, assuming they could use it for advertising with no reasoning behind it is very low effort. https://angel.co/company/wacom-1/funding https://angel.co/company/wacom-1/funding - Doesn't take two minutes to find this. >_>
  - DenisM 7y ago
    This sort of commentary is not welcome here. Please check the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html [...] Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. [...]
    - excerionsforte 7y ago
      Interpret what you want. The comment was upfront very low effort and derogatory. Wacom makes premium products for professionals, is a vendor for their premium digitziers and uncontroversial. You don't need two minutes to find what products they make to find that ADs are not remotely viable on the hardware. The comment was hastily posted and lazy and for that one can assume that the poster did not own the products and I was correct, so read what was posted before coming to your conclusion that what my comment was done in bad faith. Nowhere else in article or comments under it has anyone mentioned the possibilty of ADs on a drawing tablet or the digitizer hardware they provide for many products outside of their own. It is like saying because you bought a Mac that Apple can use your data for advertising even though they explicitly said they use it for product development. There is no strong interpretation or defense of that person's comment. If you have a strong interpretation of that post that you want to add, put a comment with the interpretation or go to another and ignore this one thanks!

kovacs_x 7y ago

Haven't you thought that they know this already by your ip address? ;)

excerionsforte 7y ago
This is very basic information. Wacom makes drawing tablets which is usually in a static place for me.

CarelessExpert 7y ago

Then they should be very open, up front, and explicit about asking for your consent, including describing what they will be collecting, and also making it very clear you can decline without negative consequences. I'm fairly comfortable with data collection if the user opts in, but the current trend--dark patterns where you put out a blanket "we will collect stuff" disclaimer that lacks any specifics, while not making it clear what the consequences are of declining--is deeply troubling and, I hope, becomes illegal thanks to things like GDPR and CCPA.

AJ007 7y ago
It is illegal under GDPR. Under CCPA you request all of this information Wacom has, and also tell them to delete it.

criddell 7y ago

Of course they want to know your approximate location. It will probably help them target ads for the next iteration of the tablet.

excerionsforte 7y ago
Huh? I don't think you own or bought a Wacom Tablet nor do you do any digital art. It is safe to say this is a troll/no effort comment.
- criddell 7y ago
  I didn't say they collect that information but I can see how they could use it. FWIW, I don't use a Wacom tablet but my daughter does. I personally use Procreate on an iPad Pro.
  - excerionsforte 7y ago
    Who said you said that? If you had done the research you would have not mentioned ADs. Where in the world does one get the idea they can places ADs on the hardware? Your commentary looks very very low effort snide attempt at humor. There is zero substance in the post as there isn't anything to discuss in it. > Wacom’s privacy policy does say that they only want this data for product development purposes, and on this point I do actually believe them. That piece from the post alone makes me wonder if you read that in the post as well before you commented. There are many things one can do with data, assuming they could use it for advertising with no reasoning behind it is very low effort. https://angel.co/company/wacom-1/funding https://angel.co/company/wacom-1/funding - Doesn't take two minutes to find this. >_>
- DenisM 7y ago
  This sort of commentary is not welcome here. Please check the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html [...] Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. [...]
  - excerionsforte 7y ago
    Interpret what you want. The comment was upfront very low effort and derogatory. Wacom makes premium products for professionals, is a vendor for their premium digitziers and uncontroversial. You don't need two minutes to find what products they make to find that ADs are not remotely viable on the hardware. The comment was hastily posted and lazy and for that one can assume that the poster did not own the products and I was correct, so read what was posted before coming to your conclusion that what my comment was done in bad faith. Nowhere else in article or comments under it has anyone mentioned the possibilty of ADs on a drawing tablet or the digitizer hardware they provide for many products outside of their own. It is like saying because you bought a Mac that Apple can use your data for advertising even though they explicitly said they use it for product development. There is no strong interpretation or defense of that person's comment. If you have a strong interpretation of that post that you want to add, put a comment with the interpretation or go to another and ignore this one thanks!