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> I think it is healthy for children to have both a mother and father who is actively present in their lives. Not sure how literally this was meant (and a lot

> I think it is healthy for children to have both a mother and father who is actively present in their lives. Not sure how literally this was meant (and a lot of the rest of the thread assuming a mother/father) but studies show kids do just as well with two parents of any gender.

jjeaff 7y ago
Not sure how literal your statement was meant, but some parents are non-gendered, non-binary. We shouldn't exclude them either. Every mention needs to include a long list of every possible combination, no matter how rare and edge case. /s
- jimmaswell 7y ago
  Inclusion is as simple as saying "parents" instead of "mother and father." If you'll read my post again you'll see the wording did include those groups. Maybe examine why you have such a violent knee jerk reaction to these groups being mentioned.
  - jjeaff 7y ago
    My comment was far from "violent" and knee jerk and had nothing to do with the groups in question. It was a parody of the woke virtue signalling that is trying to shame others for every possible perceived slight no matter the rarity of the edge case.
    - jimmaswell 7y ago
      At least 5 percent of the population is not a super rare edge case, and even if it was people who are edge cases still deserve recognition. Nobody was getting shamed either, it was just a consideration. If we had it your way we'd all be perpetually censored from bringing anything up that didn't immediately pertain to 99% of people. When someone says a wheelchair ramp should be built somewhere is your response that they should stop virtue signalling about edge cases and shaming the "normal" people, or is this response reserved for LGBT concerns?
      - jjeaff 7y ago
        >When someone says a wheelchair ramp should be built somewhere... You mean when someone says -or signs- that we should build a wheelchair ramp? Some people are deaf and can't speak. Let's not exclude them.
blub 7y ago
Please cite the studies. It seems at least impossible that babies of a male-male couple could do as well as those where the baby is raised by its biological mother even only because of the advantages of breastfeeding.
- jimmaswell 7y ago
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/02/06/children-raised-by-same-sex-couples-do-better-school-new-study-finds https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/02/06/children-... Breastfeeding is one of many variables and formula has come a long way.
  - blub 7y ago
    That was not at all as conclusive as I was expecting, for several reasons: * it's study not studies * it refers strictly to educational performance * it's likely detecting something else entirely: "The researchers found that same-sex parents are often wealthier, older and more educated than the typical different-sex couple. Same-sex couples often have to use expensive fertility treatments to have a child, meaning they are very motivated to become parents and tend to have a high level of wealth. This is likely to be a key reason their children perform well in school, the economists found" [...] "When the economists controlled for income and wealth, there were a much smaller gap between the test scores of children of same-sex parents and children different-sex parents, although children of homosexual couples still had slightly higher scores."
    - jimmaswell 7y ago
      Regarding the third point the conclusion still supports what I said, that there's no big gap. A basic google query will get a ton of results. Here are a few. Overview of 75 studies: https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/ https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equali... https://thinkprogress.org/same-sex-parenting-study-age-25-677fa483b1c3/ https://thinkprogress.org/same-sex-parenting-study-age-25-67... https://qz.com/1320434/new-research-debunks-old-science-about-the-negative-effects-of-same-sex-parenting/ https://qz.com/1320434/new-research-debunks-old-science-abou...

jjeaff 7y ago

Not sure how literal your statement was meant, but some parents are non-gendered, non-binary. We shouldn't exclude them either. Every mention needs to include a long list of every possible combination, no matter how rare and edge case. /s

jimmaswell 7y ago
Inclusion is as simple as saying "parents" instead of "mother and father." If you'll read my post again you'll see the wording did include those groups. Maybe examine why you have such a violent knee jerk reaction to these groups being mentioned.
- jjeaff 7y ago
  My comment was far from "violent" and knee jerk and had nothing to do with the groups in question. It was a parody of the woke virtue signalling that is trying to shame others for every possible perceived slight no matter the rarity of the edge case.
  - jimmaswell 7y ago
    At least 5 percent of the population is not a super rare edge case, and even if it was people who are edge cases still deserve recognition. Nobody was getting shamed either, it was just a consideration. If we had it your way we'd all be perpetually censored from bringing anything up that didn't immediately pertain to 99% of people. When someone says a wheelchair ramp should be built somewhere is your response that they should stop virtue signalling about edge cases and shaming the "normal" people, or is this response reserved for LGBT concerns?
    - jjeaff 7y ago
      >When someone says a wheelchair ramp should be built somewhere... You mean when someone says -or signs- that we should build a wheelchair ramp? Some people are deaf and can't speak. Let's not exclude them.

blub 7y ago

Please cite the studies. It seems at least impossible that babies of a male-male couple could do as well as those where the baby is raised by its biological mother even only because of the advantages of breastfeeding.

jimmaswell 7y ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/02/06/children-raised-by-same-sex-couples-do-better-school-new-study-finds https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/02/06/children-... Breastfeeding is one of many variables and formula has come a long way.
- blub 7y ago
  That was not at all as conclusive as I was expecting, for several reasons: * it's study not studies * it refers strictly to educational performance * it's likely detecting something else entirely: "The researchers found that same-sex parents are often wealthier, older and more educated than the typical different-sex couple. Same-sex couples often have to use expensive fertility treatments to have a child, meaning they are very motivated to become parents and tend to have a high level of wealth. This is likely to be a key reason their children perform well in school, the economists found" [...] "When the economists controlled for income and wealth, there were a much smaller gap between the test scores of children of same-sex parents and children different-sex parents, although children of homosexual couples still had slightly higher scores."
  - jimmaswell 7y ago
    Regarding the third point the conclusion still supports what I said, that there's no big gap. A basic google query will get a ton of results. Here are a few. Overview of 75 studies: https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/ https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equali... https://thinkprogress.org/same-sex-parenting-study-age-25-677fa483b1c3/ https://thinkprogress.org/same-sex-parenting-study-age-25-67... https://qz.com/1320434/new-research-debunks-old-science-about-the-negative-effects-of-same-sex-parenting/ https://qz.com/1320434/new-research-debunks-old-science-abou...