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The problem in contemporary culture is that we are not even allowed to have this conversation. To state the obvious fact that men and women are different and ha

The problem in contemporary culture is that we are not even allowed to have this conversation. To state the obvious fact that men and women are different and have different strengths and weaknesses (in general, as a sex) is tantamount to heresy, I guess because gender roles are associated with perceived past injustices. > Personally, I find that this "gender equality" push winds up being extraordinarily anti-woman in effect, and whenever I see a man preaching it, I assume that he is likely a broken individual in his relationship with the fairer sex, certainly someone that I would care to keep far away from my daughters. It is still unclear to me how forcing both parents to work full-time jobs is beneficial for anyone other than corporations. Parents today work more and spend less time with their kids than probably any period of time other than the early Industrial Revolution. This was not the case prior to opening up the work force en masse for women.

darkwater 7y ago
> It is still unclear to me how forcing both parents to work full-time jobs is beneficial for anyone other than corporations. The point of these measures is not letting/forcing both parents to work. It's to make both genders equals in the eye of the capitalist employer. So, depending on the job and remuneration of the parents, maybe just one can work. And this working parent can be the mother.
- ceilingcorner 7y ago
  In theory, yes, but unless the cost of supporting a family can be done with one job (as it used to be), then this is kind of a moot point. Both parents can choose to work part-time, but typically that means they'll be in poverty.
  - darkwater 7y ago
    Well that depends on the social class and the country where the family lives in. But yeah, what you say is true for too many families even in the richest countries.
hising 7y ago
> The problem in contemporary culture is that we are not even allowed to have this conversation So what type of conversation are you having right now? We have word in swedish for using that type of "arguing", it is "offerkofta". I dont think it is a good word for it in english, but starting a discussion in an open forum saying something and then stating you are not "ALLOWED" to discuss what you are discussing is just a way of victimizing oneself and make it more or less impossible for other people to argue against. If I argue against you can always call me politically correct or stating that I just dont see behind the propaganda. "Offerkofta" by the way is literally "putting on the victim cardigan".
- ceilingcorner 7y ago
  This is a mostly anonymous forum which is slightly more open to controversial ideas than the average media outlet. Any person openly questioning the effectiveness of treating men and women as exact equals is usually treated as some sort of ultra conservative or fringe figure in the media. People in general have a hard time understanding the idea that there are different scales of value. The old Einstein quote about a fish judging itself to be stupid because it can’t climb a tree is relevant here. I’m also referring to American society. I don’t know how Sweden is.
  - hising 7y ago
    As I said earlier, you have your right to an opinion, and can express it freely. If it feels awkward for you to not being agreed with or people not liking your views is not the same as someone not allowing you to have that opinion. So feel free to say and argue whatever you want, but people not liking what you say or people thinking you are having a strange opinion and rather not discussing with you have nothing to do with not allowing you to express that opinon. Saying that you are not allowed to have an opinion kills conversations.
  - KirinDave 7y ago
    The largest news Network in the US ran this story from multiple angles including yours, and even has a panel. If you really need someone to pander to this perspective, American society is full of people loudly discussing it. It is obviously so. So either you are angry that your local discourse doesn't treat this topic kindly, or you were just making a rhetorical jab that wasn't meant to be taken literally. In either case it doesn't seem very fair to do, imo.

darkwater 7y ago

> It is still unclear to me how forcing both parents to work full-time jobs is beneficial for anyone other than corporations. The point of these measures is not letting/forcing both parents to work. It's to make both genders equals in the eye of the capitalist employer. So, depending on the job and remuneration of the parents, maybe just one can work. And this working parent can be the mother.

ceilingcorner 7y ago
In theory, yes, but unless the cost of supporting a family can be done with one job (as it used to be), then this is kind of a moot point. Both parents can choose to work part-time, but typically that means they'll be in poverty.
- darkwater 7y ago
  Well that depends on the social class and the country where the family lives in. But yeah, what you say is true for too many families even in the richest countries.

hising 7y ago

> The problem in contemporary culture is that we are not even allowed to have this conversation So what type of conversation are you having right now? We have word in swedish for using that type of "arguing", it is "offerkofta". I dont think it is a good word for it in english, but starting a discussion in an open forum saying something and then stating you are not "ALLOWED" to discuss what you are discussing is just a way of victimizing oneself and make it more or less impossible for other people to argue against. If I argue against you can always call me politically correct or stating that I just dont see behind the propaganda. "Offerkofta" by the way is literally "putting on the victim cardigan".

ceilingcorner 7y ago
This is a mostly anonymous forum which is slightly more open to controversial ideas than the average media outlet. Any person openly questioning the effectiveness of treating men and women as exact equals is usually treated as some sort of ultra conservative or fringe figure in the media. People in general have a hard time understanding the idea that there are different scales of value. The old Einstein quote about a fish judging itself to be stupid because it can’t climb a tree is relevant here. I’m also referring to American society. I don’t know how Sweden is.
- hising 7y ago
  As I said earlier, you have your right to an opinion, and can express it freely. If it feels awkward for you to not being agreed with or people not liking your views is not the same as someone not allowing you to have that opinion. So feel free to say and argue whatever you want, but people not liking what you say or people thinking you are having a strange opinion and rather not discussing with you have nothing to do with not allowing you to express that opinon. Saying that you are not allowed to have an opinion kills conversations.
- KirinDave 7y ago
  The largest news Network in the US ran this story from multiple angles including yours, and even has a panel. If you really need someone to pander to this perspective, American society is full of people loudly discussing it. It is obviously so. So either you are angry that your local discourse doesn't treat this topic kindly, or you were just making a rhetorical jab that wasn't meant to be taken literally. In either case it doesn't seem very fair to do, imo.