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> They are using a 30 year range only which is meaningless. > There’s barely been a handful of record high temperatures broken in the last 3 decades out of 50

> They are using a 30 year range only which is meaningless. > There’s barely been a handful of record high temperatures broken in the last 3 decades out of 50 states If they were talking about maximum recorded temperatures, your argument would've made sense. However, they're talking about average temperatures, for which a 30 year range is certainly not meaningless.

busymom0 7y ago
Here’s the same data for the minimum temperature records broken: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records/all/tmin https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records/all/tmin Around 10 were broken in the last 3 decades which is more than the around 7 broken for the max temperatures. If more min records are broken, then I would expect the average to be going down not up.
- r_singh 7y ago
  > If more min records are broken, then I would expect the average to be going down not up. You would expect so but the data about temperature anomalies suggests the opposite: Annual 2019 Average Temperature Anomalies in USA: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/201913/supplemental/page-2 https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/201913/supplemental/... Global Temperature Anomaly Mapping at a glance: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/ https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/ Global Climate Summary in 2019 https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-201912 https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-201912
- piva00 7y ago
  Minimum records being broken can mean more variance causing outliers more frequently, wouldn't necessarily mean that they push the average down as they might be short events followed by a different weather pattern. The disruption of the polar vortex drops temperature significantly across Northern Europe but it can be caused by the warming of the atmosphere so even though it can cause record lows it is a short lasted event and on average the temperature is still going up. That is also a side-effect of climate change, more powerful bursts of extreme weather.

busymom0 7y ago

Here’s the same data for the minimum temperature records broken: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records/all/tmin https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records/all/tmin Around 10 were broken in the last 3 decades which is more than the around 7 broken for the max temperatures. If more min records are broken, then I would expect the average to be going down not up.

r_singh 7y ago
> If more min records are broken, then I would expect the average to be going down not up. You would expect so but the data about temperature anomalies suggests the opposite: Annual 2019 Average Temperature Anomalies in USA: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/201913/supplemental/page-2 https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/201913/supplemental/... Global Temperature Anomaly Mapping at a glance: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/ https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/ Global Climate Summary in 2019 https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-201912 https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-201912
piva00 7y ago
Minimum records being broken can mean more variance causing outliers more frequently, wouldn't necessarily mean that they push the average down as they might be short events followed by a different weather pattern. The disruption of the polar vortex drops temperature significantly across Northern Europe but it can be caused by the warming of the atmosphere so even though it can cause record lows it is a short lasted event and on average the temperature is still going up. That is also a side-effect of climate change, more powerful bursts of extreme weather.