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I’ve always had a hard time taking the EFF seriously because of stuff like this. They often seem to be motivated more by fear than reason. And while that’s mayb

I’ve always had a hard time taking the EFF seriously because of stuff like this. They often seem to be motivated more by fear than reason. And while that’s maybe not entirely out of place given the nature of privacy and digital freedom, it does their mission a disservice when they make claims like this. I remember when Apple first announced that they were removing the headphone jack from their phones, Elliot Harmon posted a long, horribly misinformed diatribe about how it basically meant the end of DRM-free audio, which totally ignored how audio over Lightning and Bluetooth actually works, essentially rendering the entire article moot. Harmon later revised the article with more accurate information, but conveniently, he neglected to correct any of the misinformation that the article was built around. One can’t help but conclude that maybe the EFF is more concerned with attacking technologies based on their emotional response to them than they are with understanding those technologies and the issues to the table.

astura 7y ago
>They often seem to be motivated more by fear than reason. Unfortunately fear is what gets people to donate money, not reason.
beatgammit 7y ago
I take the EFF with a grain of salt. I really value their mission, but yes, some of their articles can be a bit fear based. However, behind every fear based article is a reason based argument, but the reason based argument wouldn't have the same shock value. For the Ring doorbell, I am less worried about an Amazon employee misusing my data than a group of thieves hacking WiFi networks (really not hard) to steal Ring videos in transit to be able to stake out multiple neighborhoods at once. If an Amazon employee has access, it's (probably) not E2E encrypted. So the question is, do you trust Amazon to make their devices, servers, and communication between both secure? I don't because it's not really in their interest to do so.

astura 7y ago

>They often seem to be motivated more by fear than reason. Unfortunately fear is what gets people to donate money, not reason.

beatgammit 7y ago

I take the EFF with a grain of salt. I really value their mission, but yes, some of their articles can be a bit fear based. However, behind every fear based article is a reason based argument, but the reason based argument wouldn't have the same shock value. For the Ring doorbell, I am less worried about an Amazon employee misusing my data than a group of thieves hacking WiFi networks (really not hard) to steal Ring videos in transit to be able to stake out multiple neighborhoods at once. If an Amazon employee has access, it's (probably) not E2E encrypted. So the question is, do you trust Amazon to make their devices, servers, and communication between both secure? I don't because it's not really in their interest to do so.