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The Democratic Party must be destroyed to save it. This is a material manifestation of underlying shit, just a symptom at several degrees of remove from any mo
by RealisticImpact 7y ago
The Democratic Party must be destroyed to save it. This is a material manifestation of underlying shit, just a symptom at several degrees of remove from any more-than-superficial cause.
The only thing that could conceivably provide a systematic opening to fix things (ie, not just fixing specific things, after they've become apparent, because they've already catastrophically failed), in the realm of badly-written science fiction and fantasy, would be:
Bernie Sanders (or another equally popular candidate, in the near-future) is ratfucked so badly and obviously (which this could be the start of the perception of, even if it is just sufficiently advanced incompetence to be indistiguishable from malice), then the nominee loses to Trump so convincingly, that it completely shatters the party -- like it is no longer able to function at a basic level, and will clearly, even to the most delusional, never be able to win another election again -- and then... something, I don't even know how this would work. I am not creative enough to write this laughable science fiction any further.
There might also be a route involving Bernie Sanders winning both the primary and the general by a landslide, but that comes with its own and different set of systematic problems that I don't think would make the party's competence at dealing with technical problems, at least, any better.
But in either case, the deepest underlying rot is still the toxic interests of its financial backers, which are reproduced in the very bones of the party, and occasionally pop up in especially ridiculous and very indirect ways like this (and many more that don't get frontpaged as a problem on HN, or the New York Times for that matter). There's no fixing anything without somehow getting rid of them. And there is no realistically traversable path to that.
- jessaustin 7y ago...ratfucked... If they ratfuck him this time anywhere near as bad as they did last time, he'll run independent. In that case, Trump will win even more easily than I've been expecting since February 2017. Of course, Trump has a sort of death wish, so he could invade Canada or something and then Bernie would win without owing anything to the other face of the status quo party. The most recent results (at 62% reporting, somehow not including urban areas, for many hours now) show Bernie winning the popular vote but trailing in convention votes. I hope I'll hear Democrats complaining about the Electoral College again soon...
- fuqmachine 7y agoHe will never in a billion years run as independent. You're patently wrong. He hates Trump more than his supporters do.
- jessaustin 7y agoLike all thinking adults, Bernie views Trump as a symptom of a deeper disease. Bernie has fought to fix USA's underlying problems for over four decades. Why would he care in a personal sense about the latest plutocratic figurehead? Trump's policies aren't significantly different than those of his predecessors; Bernie's policies will be. Besides, Bloomberg is more of a Republican than Trump is. Why would Bernie care to see him elected?