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With strong voter ID. Paper ballots do you no good if you can't verify that they were cast by a real person that was eligible to vote in that area, and that th

by skrowl 7y ago

With strong voter ID. Paper ballots do you no good if you can't verify that they were cast by a real person that was eligible to vote in that area, and that they only voted once.

LargeWu 7y ago
This is, in reality, a virtually nonexistent problem. It's often used as a rationale for voter suppression, though.
- tathougies 7y ago
  False: not having voter ID is used as a rationale for voter ressurection though: https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/2-investigators-chicago-voters-cast-ballots-from-beyond-the-grave/ https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/2-investigators-chic...
  - cyphar 7y ago
    Courts found that the North Carolina voter ID laws were designed to be discriminatory[1]. Same in Texas[2]. So it's definitely true in at least two cases that voter ID laws were provably designed for voter suppression. [1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-carolinas-voter-id-law-supreme-court-cert/526713/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-c... [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/texas-voter-id-law-voting-rights-act-federal-court-decision https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/texas-voter-...
    - LargeWu 7y ago
      Not only provably, but explicitly. Voter suppression was the primary intent.
      - cyphar 7y ago
        Something being provably true is a higher bar than it being explicitly stated (because an explicit statement isn't enough to prove something to be true). I agree that voter suppression was the primary intent, but the legislation wasn't called "The Illegal Voter Suppression Act 2013".
- skrowl 7y ago
  > a virtually nonexistent problem Watch Broward County FL this November. Whole boxes of filled out ballots will be "found" mysteriously. Just like every election.
  - LargeWu 7y ago
    That is election fraud, perpetrated by the people running the elections themselves, not voter fraud. If you can't trust the people running the elections, then no amount of voter ID is going to matter.
jedberg 7y ago
In 2016 there were only four confirmed cases where people voted who should not have and would have been stoped with voter ID. All four voted for Trump, but that's not super relevant. What's relevant is that it was four out of 127,000,000 votes. Even if the problem were 1,000 times worse then we know it still would have had no effect on the election, even if they were all in Wisconsin.

by skrowl 7y ago

With strong voter ID. Paper ballots do you no good if you can't verify that they were cast by a real person that was eligible to vote in that area, and that they only voted once.

LargeWu 7y ago

This is, in reality, a virtually nonexistent problem. It's often used as a rationale for voter suppression, though.

tathougies 7y ago
False: not having voter ID is used as a rationale for voter ressurection though: https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/2-investigators-chicago-voters-cast-ballots-from-beyond-the-grave/ https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/2-investigators-chic...
- cyphar 7y ago
  Courts found that the North Carolina voter ID laws were designed to be discriminatory[1]. Same in Texas[2]. So it's definitely true in at least two cases that voter ID laws were provably designed for voter suppression. [1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-carolinas-voter-id-law-supreme-court-cert/526713/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-c... [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/texas-voter-id-law-voting-rights-act-federal-court-decision https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/texas-voter-...
  - LargeWu 7y ago
    Not only provably, but explicitly. Voter suppression was the primary intent.
    - cyphar 7y ago
      Something being provably true is a higher bar than it being explicitly stated (because an explicit statement isn't enough to prove something to be true). I agree that voter suppression was the primary intent, but the legislation wasn't called "The Illegal Voter Suppression Act 2013".
skrowl 7y ago
> a virtually nonexistent problem Watch Broward County FL this November. Whole boxes of filled out ballots will be "found" mysteriously. Just like every election.
- LargeWu 7y ago
  That is election fraud, perpetrated by the people running the elections themselves, not voter fraud. If you can't trust the people running the elections, then no amount of voter ID is going to matter.

jedberg 7y ago

In 2016 there were only four confirmed cases where people voted who should not have and would have been stoped with voter ID. All four voted for Trump, but that's not super relevant. What's relevant is that it was four out of 127,000,000 votes. Even if the problem were 1,000 times worse then we know it still would have had no effect on the election, even if they were all in Wisconsin.