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This is understandeable: Both AI and corporations are psychopaths - they have no emotions to get in the way of rational thinking, with ultimate goal of maximizi

by mamon 7y ago

This is understandeable: Both AI and corporations are psychopaths - they have no emotions to get in the way of rational thinking, with ultimate goal of maximizing their personal gain. Question remains: how do we teach AI empathy ?

frandroid 7y ago
We teach AI empathy by programming it with the heurestics of care--optimizing for human well-being instead of profit. A difficult thing to achieve when the entities paying for the design of AIs are themselves driven by the profit motive, and for-profit AIs are self-perpetuating.
Ididntdothis 7y ago
There is a wide range of what people think empathy is and how to express it in their actions. I think the problem with AI is that it allows people to hide behind it so they don’t have to take responsibility for the actions of the AI they designed and paid for.
unishark 7y ago
It is basically hacking the algorithm. You seek to bias its output toward some other goals versus what the optimal math would give. One might argue that developing such algorithms for good intentions runs the risk of providing technologies for negative intents. But I think the research on the negative side is generally way ahead anyway, as security is so important.
lukifer 7y ago
I think there's an argument that "empathy" (or even its wider-scoped sibling "compassion") has a potentially sociopathic element: a sort of cynical manipulation to appear virtuous to the tribe, one which is more effective if it convinces our own brains, so as to more effectively convince others. See Tim Wilson's "Strangers to Ourselves", Hanson & Simler's "Elephant in the Brain", etc. Supposedly, there's also an empathic element to being an effective hunter, both in the human and the animal kingdom. To deeply understand and empathize with your prey helps you capture and devour them. Indeed, the marketing, advertising, and product development divisions of corporations can be deeply "empathic" to the desires of the buyer, without necessarily being to their benefit. At any rate, I don't disagree; corporations are agnostic to societal externalities, and highly incentivized to create habit-forming relationships with customers, hence often leading to behavior indistinguishable from sociopathy. To some extent, I think the best we can hope for is aligned incentives; sometimes what's best for a company's bottom line really is to make people's lives better. But we shouldn't be naive to exploitative relationships (even when nominally voluntary), nor should we lean on "The Market" as the singular societal organizing principle. Extrapolating to AI, we should be very cautious as to what metrics we optimize any particular algorithm for. Corporations optimizing for stockholder returns are ultimately a subset of "paperclip maximizing"; what we really want is a balance of multiple leading indicators of success, and to constantly be tweaking those success conditions as we discover new metrics for measuring human flourishing.

by mamon 7y ago

frandroid 7y ago

We teach AI empathy by programming it with the heurestics of care--optimizing for human well-being instead of profit. A difficult thing to achieve when the entities paying for the design of AIs are themselves driven by the profit motive, and for-profit AIs are self-perpetuating.

Ididntdothis 7y ago

There is a wide range of what people think empathy is and how to express it in their actions. I think the problem with AI is that it allows people to hide behind it so they don’t have to take responsibility for the actions of the AI they designed and paid for.

unishark 7y ago

It is basically hacking the algorithm. You seek to bias its output toward some other goals versus what the optimal math would give. One might argue that developing such algorithms for good intentions runs the risk of providing technologies for negative intents. But I think the research on the negative side is generally way ahead anyway, as security is so important.

lukifer 7y ago

I think there's an argument that "empathy" (or even its wider-scoped sibling "compassion") has a potentially sociopathic element: a sort of cynical manipulation to appear virtuous to the tribe, one which is more effective if it convinces our own brains, so as to more effectively convince others. See Tim Wilson's "Strangers to Ourselves", Hanson & Simler's "Elephant in the Brain", etc. Supposedly, there's also an empathic element to being an effective hunter, both in the human and the animal kingdom. To deeply understand and empathize with your prey helps you capture and devour them. Indeed, the marketing, advertising, and product development divisions of corporations can be deeply "empathic" to the desires of the buyer, without necessarily being to their benefit. At any rate, I don't disagree; corporations are agnostic to societal externalities, and highly incentivized to create habit-forming relationships with customers, hence often leading to behavior indistinguishable from sociopathy. To some extent, I think the best we can hope for is aligned incentives; sometimes what's best for a company's bottom line really is to make people's lives better. But we shouldn't be naive to exploitative relationships (even when nominally voluntary), nor should we lean on "The Market" as the singular societal organizing principle. Extrapolating to AI, we should be very cautious as to what metrics we optimize any particular algorithm for. Corporations optimizing for stockholder returns are ultimately a subset of "paperclip maximizing"; what we really want is a balance of multiple leading indicators of success, and to constantly be tweaking those success conditions as we discover new metrics for measuring human flourishing.