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> Baker's compensation has been inversely tied with performance You've mentioned this twice in the thread now. "Inversely tied" is quite a strong and unusual

> Baker's compensation has been inversely tied with performance You've mentioned this twice in the thread now. "Inversely tied" is quite a strong and unusual claim for compensation. Care to prove it?

poxrud 7y ago
https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217517703914643456 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217517703914643456
throwaway2048 7y ago
Their salary has gone up, and firefox market share has gone down, its neither is a controversial statement
kick 7y ago
Happily! 2.5 million, 2018: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-fo... 2.3 million, 2017: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-fo... 1 million, 2016: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Foundation_Forms_990_Public_Disclosure.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Fo... <1 million, 2015: https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/2015_Mozilla_Foundation_Forms_990_Public_Disclosure.pdf https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/2015_Mozilla_Found... Firefox market share has been in decline (30% to <5%) for over a decade now: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/StatCounter-browser-ww-monthly-200901-201905.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/StatCoun...
- frandroid 7y ago
  That's not "tied", which would imply a contractual relationship...
  - kick 7y ago
    That's malarkey. Tied is not exclusively used to imply a "contractual relationship," and that's (if anything) a minority-usage of the idiom of tied to/with.
    - ameister14 7y ago
      I think you probably should have used 'associated with' instead of 'tied to' as when discussing remuneration contractual ties is not a minority usage of the idiom.
      - eganist 7y ago
        I'm not Kick, but while you're correct that "associated with" would've been better for clarity, no reasonable person would assume that "inversely tied" describes a contractually mandated drop in performance for an increase in pay (my other comment here links to dictionary.com and thesaurus.com, both good references for this discussion). Couple that with the generally accepted usage of 'tied' and the usage by Kick was correct, if perhaps ambiguous to a narrow population.
        ameister14 7y ago
        Kick's usage is correct except within the business world and especially financial and executive populations, which, while admittedly narrow, are what we were discussing. When you say that an executive's pay is tied to the company's performance, within these communities it's generally understood that this is a contractual relationship. ex. "John's salary is tied to performance - if the company is valued at over 100 billion, he'll get another 5% stock" etc. or "bonuses are tied to performance milestones" If you are simply observing that an executives pay rises while performance falls, associated is a clearer term.
  - oarsinsync 7y ago
    inverse correlation between executive pay and browser market share, if semantics are necessary.
  - 7y ago

> Baker's compensation has been inversely tied with performance You've mentioned this twice in the thread now. "Inversely tied" is quite a strong and unusual claim for compensation. Care to prove it?

poxrud 7y ago

https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217517703914643456 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217517703914643456

throwaway2048 7y ago

Their salary has gone up, and firefox market share has gone down, its neither is a controversial statement

kick 7y ago

Happily! 2.5 million, 2018: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-fo... 2.3 million, 2017: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-fo... 1 million, 2016: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Foundation_Forms_990_Public_Disclosure.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Fo... <1 million, 2015: https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/2015_Mozilla_Foundation_Forms_990_Public_Disclosure.pdf https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/2015_Mozilla_Found... Firefox market share has been in decline (30% to <5%) for over a decade now: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/StatCounter-browser-ww-monthly-200901-201905.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/StatCoun...

frandroid 7y ago
That's not "tied", which would imply a contractual relationship...
- kick 7y ago
  That's malarkey. Tied is not exclusively used to imply a "contractual relationship," and that's (if anything) a minority-usage of the idiom of tied to/with.
  - ameister14 7y ago
    I think you probably should have used 'associated with' instead of 'tied to' as when discussing remuneration contractual ties is not a minority usage of the idiom.
    - eganist 7y ago
      I'm not Kick, but while you're correct that "associated with" would've been better for clarity, no reasonable person would assume that "inversely tied" describes a contractually mandated drop in performance for an increase in pay (my other comment here links to dictionary.com and thesaurus.com, both good references for this discussion). Couple that with the generally accepted usage of 'tied' and the usage by Kick was correct, if perhaps ambiguous to a narrow population.
      - ameister14 7y ago
        Kick's usage is correct except within the business world and especially financial and executive populations, which, while admittedly narrow, are what we were discussing. When you say that an executive's pay is tied to the company's performance, within these communities it's generally understood that this is a contractual relationship. ex. "John's salary is tied to performance - if the company is valued at over 100 billion, he'll get another 5% stock" etc. or "bonuses are tied to performance milestones" If you are simply observing that an executives pay rises while performance falls, associated is a clearer term.
- oarsinsync 7y ago
  inverse correlation between executive pay and browser market share, if semantics are necessary.
- 7y ago