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Where "best" = "cheapest", true.

phenkdo 7y ago
Get off the entitlement high horse! what you snidely dismiss as "cheap" is what companies can afford to pay. Most businesses aren't FAANG and treading water mostly. Would you apply the "no shortage if you pay enough" argument for housing, healthcare or education etc. ? Sauce for the goose == sauce for the gander
- devmunchies 7y ago
  so do you also agree that there should be no minimum wage for small companies?
- cheese4242 7y ago
  Sounds like these companies don't have viable business models then.
  - phenkdo 7y ago
    To me, it sounds like the complainers about "cheap labor" are entitled brats living way beyond their means. sauce for the goose==sauce for the gander
    - cheese4242 7y ago
      "entitled brats" in this case being people who don't want to live in third-world conditions. These other countries are free to try and improve their conditions. Trying to drag us down to their level is pathetic.
      - phenkdo 7y ago
        > These other countries are free to try and improve their conditions. > Trying to drag us down to their level is pathetic. QED
      - mav3rick 7y ago
        Wow, talk about entitlement. Your birth in a developed country was an accident. Don't act as if you earned it.
closeparen 7y ago
H1B salaries are public. For my employer anyway, the salaries paid to H1Bs are about the same as for anyone else at those levels.
- angry_octet 7y ago
  Another way to look at it is that the salaries of other workers are pegged to the salaries of H1B workers. There is a way to improve this situation -- allow H1B workers to easily change employers. Alternatively, employing an H1B requires paying into a tuition scholarship fund. $50k/year sounds reasonable to me.
  - closeparen 7y ago
    I dunno, from the 98th percentile I’m not too anxious to move to 99th. I’m much more worried about losing my Chinese friends and colleagues. And no amount of tuition assistance is going to make more than a handful of the kids I grew up with capable of this work.
    - angry_octet 7y ago
      I think it is quite likely that there are many people in the US who are smart enough but lack the $100k to go to university for 4 years. Not saying that immigration is bad, but there are many US citizens who could participate if they had education. The US skims some of the best students and programmers from around the world, but also people who are equivalent but cheaper, and also indentured.
      - cheese4242 7y ago
        >The US skims some of the best students and programmers from around the world, but also people who are equivalent but cheaper, and also indentured. Exactly. The latter needs to be shut off.
    - cheese4242 7y ago
      > And no amount of tuition assistance is going to make more than a handful of the kids I grew up with capable of this work. How do you know that?

Get off the entitlement high horse! what you snidely dismiss as "cheap" is what companies can afford to pay. Most businesses aren't FAANG and treading water mostly. Would you apply the "no shortage if you pay enough" argument for housing, healthcare or education etc. ? Sauce for the goose == sauce for the gander

devmunchies 7y ago
so do you also agree that there should be no minimum wage for small companies?
cheese4242 7y ago
Sounds like these companies don't have viable business models then.
- phenkdo 7y ago
  To me, it sounds like the complainers about "cheap labor" are entitled brats living way beyond their means. sauce for the goose==sauce for the gander
  - cheese4242 7y ago
    "entitled brats" in this case being people who don't want to live in third-world conditions. These other countries are free to try and improve their conditions. Trying to drag us down to their level is pathetic.
    - phenkdo 7y ago
      > These other countries are free to try and improve their conditions. > Trying to drag us down to their level is pathetic. QED
    - mav3rick 7y ago
      Wow, talk about entitlement. Your birth in a developed country was an accident. Don't act as if you earned it.

closeparen 7y ago

H1B salaries are public. For my employer anyway, the salaries paid to H1Bs are about the same as for anyone else at those levels.

angry_octet 7y ago
Another way to look at it is that the salaries of other workers are pegged to the salaries of H1B workers. There is a way to improve this situation -- allow H1B workers to easily change employers. Alternatively, employing an H1B requires paying into a tuition scholarship fund. $50k/year sounds reasonable to me.
- closeparen 7y ago
  I dunno, from the 98th percentile I’m not too anxious to move to 99th. I’m much more worried about losing my Chinese friends and colleagues. And no amount of tuition assistance is going to make more than a handful of the kids I grew up with capable of this work.
  - angry_octet 7y ago
    I think it is quite likely that there are many people in the US who are smart enough but lack the $100k to go to university for 4 years. Not saying that immigration is bad, but there are many US citizens who could participate if they had education. The US skims some of the best students and programmers from around the world, but also people who are equivalent but cheaper, and also indentured.
    - cheese4242 7y ago
      >The US skims some of the best students and programmers from around the world, but also people who are equivalent but cheaper, and also indentured. Exactly. The latter needs to be shut off.
  - cheese4242 7y ago
    > And no amount of tuition assistance is going to make more than a handful of the kids I grew up with capable of this work. How do you know that?