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This is unbelievable to me. Didn’t they learn anything from 4 years ago? It is such a scam; makes working on Wall Street feel cleaner and more moral.

eplanit 7y ago
The DNC also declined offers for pen testing their servers in 2016. Where does their misplaced confidence come from?
pstuart 7y ago
No offense, but that's a stretch. I worked in ad tech for almost a decade, so I'm no innocent either.
- vowelless 7y ago
  Adtech is below Wall Street in my admittedly twisted morality spectrum, but above the military industrial complex.
wayoutthere 7y ago
This kind of crap is why Bernie Sanders is so popular. It's why Trump won the 2016 election too. There is an overwhelming feeling on the part of voters that the "establishment" of the party is beholden to a small group of wealthy neoliberals (or neoconservatives on the GOP side, but there are few differences in policy between the two). Many on the left regard liberalism as a failed project, and Sanders is popular among them because he offers an alternative to neoliberalism. The wealth inequality that accelerated after the 2007 crisis has added a class warfare aspect to national politics where one did not exist before. Trump has largely eviscerated the Republican party by playing on this, and I think we're seeing this dynamic on the Democrat side this election cycle.
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  > This kind of crap is why Bernie Sanders is so popular. It's why Trump won the 2016 election too. Yes, but not for the reason you stated. It's conspiracy theories like the GP posted that have led to the rise of Sanders and Trump.
  - pstuart 7y ago
    I've been a liberal voter for decades, and Sanders pretty well represents what the democratic party used to be back in the day. There's genuine hunger for real change and that is the driver for Sanders, as well as the fact that he is no fair weather politician. You can hate Hillary, but she was probably the smartest, most experienced, and best qualified for the job as a maintainer of the status quo. I think we need to go beyond the status quo, but politics is (or was) the art of compromise. Unfortunately politics is at its core a popularity contest and people vote with their emotions rather than their brains, which is why we have the current administration.
    - lern_too_spel 7y ago
      And in particular, their emotions lead them to believe conspiracy theories when something doesn't go their way. It's not that the DNC is some cabal hindering progress, like they believe, but that progress requires careful policy consideration that those who advocate large immediate changes haven't thought through. Look at Sanders's early education policy for example. It's just a single line. Getting early education and childcare right will benefit far more people and in a far more egalitarian way than getting postsecondary education right, but if you even suggest it, some "emotional" Sanders supporters will say you must be part of a banking conspiracy.
      - pstuart 7y ago
        Conspiracies come in different flavors as it were. The DNC has not hidden its fear of Sanders, and I believe that they are "conspiring" to get a mainstream candidate that their patrons want, e.g. Biden or Buttigieg. Platforms are not policies, they're goals. There's nothing wrong with having ambitious goals and then adjusting to reality whilst trying to implement them. The Sanders camp clearly attracts a lot of emotional people as well, but at least they're emotional for a perceived good rather than perceived grievances -- to put a charitable spin on it :-)
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > You can hate Hillary, but she was probably the smartest, most experienced, and best qualified for the job as a maintainer of the status quo. No, she wasn't. She had very little of either electoral or executive experience for a Presidential candidate, but lots of experience as a less-accountable figure around politics and policy. Whether as maintainer of the status quo or otherwise she was only modestly qualified.
- 34679 7y ago
  I'll sum it up: Progressives are tired of Corporate Democrats running their party.
  - mattrp 7y ago
    s/party/country/g :)
Reedx 7y ago
Unfortunately there has been little learning and self-reflection. It's full steam ahead to another cycle of divisiveness, extreme polarization and getting nothing done.
- frockington1 7y ago
  So either 4 more years of Trump of 4 years of getting nothing done. Conservatives must be happy with both prospects

eplanit 7y ago

The DNC also declined offers for pen testing their servers in 2016. Where does their misplaced confidence come from?

pstuart 7y ago

No offense, but that's a stretch. I worked in ad tech for almost a decade, so I'm no innocent either.

vowelless 7y ago
Adtech is below Wall Street in my admittedly twisted morality spectrum, but above the military industrial complex.

wayoutthere 7y ago

This kind of crap is why Bernie Sanders is so popular. It's why Trump won the 2016 election too. There is an overwhelming feeling on the part of voters that the "establishment" of the party is beholden to a small group of wealthy neoliberals (or neoconservatives on the GOP side, but there are few differences in policy between the two). Many on the left regard liberalism as a failed project, and Sanders is popular among them because he offers an alternative to neoliberalism. The wealth inequality that accelerated after the 2007 crisis has added a class warfare aspect to national politics where one did not exist before. Trump has largely eviscerated the Republican party by playing on this, and I think we're seeing this dynamic on the Democrat side this election cycle.

lern_too_spel 7y ago
> This kind of crap is why Bernie Sanders is so popular. It's why Trump won the 2016 election too. Yes, but not for the reason you stated. It's conspiracy theories like the GP posted that have led to the rise of Sanders and Trump.
- pstuart 7y ago
  I've been a liberal voter for decades, and Sanders pretty well represents what the democratic party used to be back in the day. There's genuine hunger for real change and that is the driver for Sanders, as well as the fact that he is no fair weather politician. You can hate Hillary, but she was probably the smartest, most experienced, and best qualified for the job as a maintainer of the status quo. I think we need to go beyond the status quo, but politics is (or was) the art of compromise. Unfortunately politics is at its core a popularity contest and people vote with their emotions rather than their brains, which is why we have the current administration.
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    And in particular, their emotions lead them to believe conspiracy theories when something doesn't go their way. It's not that the DNC is some cabal hindering progress, like they believe, but that progress requires careful policy consideration that those who advocate large immediate changes haven't thought through. Look at Sanders's early education policy for example. It's just a single line. Getting early education and childcare right will benefit far more people and in a far more egalitarian way than getting postsecondary education right, but if you even suggest it, some "emotional" Sanders supporters will say you must be part of a banking conspiracy.
    - pstuart 7y ago
      Conspiracies come in different flavors as it were. The DNC has not hidden its fear of Sanders, and I believe that they are "conspiring" to get a mainstream candidate that their patrons want, e.g. Biden or Buttigieg. Platforms are not policies, they're goals. There's nothing wrong with having ambitious goals and then adjusting to reality whilst trying to implement them. The Sanders camp clearly attracts a lot of emotional people as well, but at least they're emotional for a perceived good rather than perceived grievances -- to put a charitable spin on it :-)
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > You can hate Hillary, but she was probably the smartest, most experienced, and best qualified for the job as a maintainer of the status quo. No, she wasn't. She had very little of either electoral or executive experience for a Presidential candidate, but lots of experience as a less-accountable figure around politics and policy. Whether as maintainer of the status quo or otherwise she was only modestly qualified.
34679 7y ago
I'll sum it up: Progressives are tired of Corporate Democrats running their party.
- mattrp 7y ago
  s/party/country/g :)

Reedx 7y ago

Unfortunately there has been little learning and self-reflection. It's full steam ahead to another cycle of divisiveness, extreme polarization and getting nothing done.

frockington1 7y ago
So either 4 more years of Trump of 4 years of getting nothing done. Conservatives must be happy with both prospects