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Yep. If they don't want US workers, it seems the logical thing to do would be to move the business out of the US.
by cheese4242 7y ago
Yep. If they don't want US workers, it seems the logical thing to do would be to move the business out of the US.
- akhilcacharya 7y agoAlmost as though companies want to hire the best person for the job...
- eplanit 7y agoWhere "best" = "cheapest", true.
- phenkdo 7y agoGet off the entitlement high horse! what you snidely dismiss as "cheap" is what companies can afford to pay. Most businesses aren't FAANG and treading water mostly. Would you apply the "no shortage if you pay enough" argument for housing, healthcare or education etc. ? Sauce for the goose == sauce for the gander
- devmunchies 7y agoso do you also agree that there should be no minimum wage for small companies?
- cheese4242 7y agoSounds like these companies don't have viable business models then.
- phenkdo 7y agoTo me, it sounds like the complainers about "cheap labor" are entitled brats living way beyond their means. sauce for the goose==sauce for the gander
- cheese4242 7y ago"entitled brats" in this case being people who don't want to live in third-world conditions. These other countries are free to try and improve their conditions. Trying to drag us down to their level is pathetic.
- closeparen 7y agoH1B salaries are public. For my employer anyway, the salaries paid to H1Bs are about the same as for anyone else at those levels.
- angry_octet 7y agoAnother way to look at it is that the salaries of other workers are pegged to the salaries of H1B workers. There is a way to improve this situation -- allow H1B workers to easily change employers. Alternatively, employing an H1B requires paying into a tuition scholarship fund. $50k/year sounds reasonable to me.
- closeparen 7y agoI dunno, from the 98th percentile I’m not too anxious to move to 99th. I’m much more worried about losing my Chinese friends and colleagues. And no amount of tuition assistance is going to make more than a handful of the kids I grew up with capable of this work.
- angry_octet 7y agoI think it is quite likely that there are many people in the US who are smart enough but lack the $100k to go to university for 4 years. Not saying that immigration is bad, but there are many US citizens who could participate if they had education. The US skims some of the best students and programmers from around the world, but also people who are equivalent but cheaper, and also indentured.
- cheese4242 7y ago>The US skims some of the best students and programmers from around the world, but also people who are equivalent but cheaper, and also indentured. Exactly. The latter needs to be shut off.
- cheese4242 7y ago> And no amount of tuition assistance is going to make more than a handful of the kids I grew up with capable of this work. How do you know that?
- cheese4242 7y agoYou realize the companies that push that line don't actually believe it themselves, right? I always suffer a bit of second-hand embarrassment when others earnestly accept such crude propaganda. It's all about protecting access to cheap labor.
- davidw 7y agoMultinational companies are quite capable of opening offices in places where labor and cost of living is cheap. If they have trouble bringing people to the US, it's a bigger incentive to do so.
- cheese4242 7y agoGreat, they are free to open offices there then. Good luck to them!
- akhilcacharya 7y agoI'd rather they do that here, thanks
- cheese4242 7y agoHow? Sounds like their business models aren't viable in the US.
- davidw 7y agoProducing software, in, say, Romania, and selling it in the US is a perfectly viable business model.
- cheese4242 7y agoIn which case the software shop is in Romania, not the US. Not sure your point.