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F# pipeline operator aka... function composition that has existed in other MLs forever?

by vmchale 7y ago

cultus 7y ago
It's reverse order from normal composition, which is really handy.
- vmchale 7y ago
  How tf is reversing order significant?? This is <&> in Haskell (it's in the standard library). Futhark has it in the prelude too.
oblio 7y ago
For better or for worse, being first doesn't amount to much in real life. Being the first to mass adoption, that does matter.
- vmchale 7y ago
  It's not first to mass adoption either lol
  - oblio 7y ago
    Well, I'd say that "mass adoption" means it's in one of: Javascript, Java, Python, C, C++, C#, PHP, Swift†, Ruby†, SQL†, Go†, VBA†, TypeScript†, Kotlin† and that's about it. The languages with a dagger (†) are either niche languages or tied to a very specific (albeit very popular) platform. Which one of them has the pipeline operator, especially in widespread use in libraries in its ecosystem? Personally, I don't know of any. I'm not saying that what this blog post presents has achieved mass adoption, I'm just arguing that the pipeline operator for standard programming languages hasn't reached mass adoption, anywhere. I don't count Unix pipes as being the same thing as the pipeline operator, in this context ;-)
    - dnautics 7y ago
      Probably the only mainstream language with mass pipeline usage is elixir. (And before you call it niche, pagerduty uses elixir, so your stack probably depends on it right now). Almost every significant code file of mine uses the pipe operator, and it's absolutely invaluable for debugging.
      - neurotrace 7y ago
        That's not really a good argument against calling it niche. A lot of numerical computing done from Python is actually run through Fortran and some of your OS is almost certainly written in raw assembly language. That doesn't mean that they aren't niche.
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galacticdessert 7y ago
Value of your comment being? It does not matter where it comes from, just that is cool, useful, readable and it might be a great idea to add it to JS, same as it is already in f#, oCaml, Elixir, etc etc etc.
- mrkeen 7y ago
  I miss it when it's not there. This is currently #5 on HN: https://www.infoq.com/articles/java-14-feature-spotlight https://www.infoq.com/articles/java-14-feature-spotlight It's a pretty long read and could have done with some precedent.
LandR 7y ago
Unfortunately good ideas take a long time to catch on in our industry!

F# pipeline operator aka... function composition that has existed in other MLs forever?

cultus 7y ago

It's reverse order from normal composition, which is really handy.

vmchale 7y ago
How tf is reversing order significant?? This is <&> in Haskell (it's in the standard library). Futhark has it in the prelude too.

oblio 7y ago

For better or for worse, being first doesn't amount to much in real life. Being the first to mass adoption, that does matter.

vmchale 7y ago
It's not first to mass adoption either lol
- oblio 7y ago
  Well, I'd say that "mass adoption" means it's in one of: Javascript, Java, Python, C, C++, C#, PHP, Swift†, Ruby†, SQL†, Go†, VBA†, TypeScript†, Kotlin† and that's about it. The languages with a dagger (†) are either niche languages or tied to a very specific (albeit very popular) platform. Which one of them has the pipeline operator, especially in widespread use in libraries in its ecosystem? Personally, I don't know of any. I'm not saying that what this blog post presents has achieved mass adoption, I'm just arguing that the pipeline operator for standard programming languages hasn't reached mass adoption, anywhere. I don't count Unix pipes as being the same thing as the pipeline operator, in this context ;-)
  - dnautics 7y ago
    Probably the only mainstream language with mass pipeline usage is elixir. (And before you call it niche, pagerduty uses elixir, so your stack probably depends on it right now). Almost every significant code file of mine uses the pipe operator, and it's absolutely invaluable for debugging.
    - neurotrace 7y ago
      That's not really a good argument against calling it niche. A lot of numerical computing done from Python is actually run through Fortran and some of your OS is almost certainly written in raw assembly language. That doesn't mean that they aren't niche.
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galacticdessert 7y ago

Value of your comment being? It does not matter where it comes from, just that is cool, useful, readable and it might be a great idea to add it to JS, same as it is already in f#, oCaml, Elixir, etc etc etc.

mrkeen 7y ago
I miss it when it's not there. This is currently #5 on HN: https://www.infoq.com/articles/java-14-feature-spotlight https://www.infoq.com/articles/java-14-feature-spotlight It's a pretty long read and could have done with some precedent.

LandR 7y ago

Unfortunately good ideas take a long time to catch on in our industry!