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Donations go to Mozilla "the non-profit organization" rather than Mozilla "the corporation". Mozilla (the corporation) has the typical/bad corporate structures

Donations go to Mozilla "the non-profit organization" rather than Mozilla "the corporation". Mozilla (the corporation) has the typical/bad corporate structures and ridiculous executive compensations. Mozilla (the corporation) had the layoffs. Mozilla (the corporation) bought Pocket with money that comes from deals with search engines. That being said, though... > Donate to smaller developers of software you use, it'll go a lot further, and they'll probably put it to better use! ... is still a great point. (Updated this because "Mozilla, Org" and "Mozilla, Inc" were inaccurate)

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kick 7y ago
The Mozilla Foundation controls and owns the Mozilla Corporation, and the executive structure looks more or less the same. Baker's compensation has been inversely tied with performance, and she runs both.
- frandroid 7y ago
  > Baker's compensation has been inversely tied with performance You've mentioned this twice in the thread now. "Inversely tied" is quite a strong and unusual claim for compensation. Care to prove it?
  - poxrud 7y ago
    https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217517703914643456 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217517703914643456
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    Their salary has gone up, and firefox market share has gone down, its neither is a controversial statement
  - kick 7y ago
    Happily! 2.5 million, 2018: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-fo... 2.3 million, 2017: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-fo... 1 million, 2016: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Foundation_Forms_990_Public_Disclosure.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Fo... <1 million, 2015: https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/2015_Mozilla_Foundation_Forms_990_Public_Disclosure.pdf https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/2015_Mozilla_Found... Firefox market share has been in decline (30% to <5%) for over a decade now: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/StatCounter-browser-ww-monthly-200901-201905.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/StatCoun...
    - frandroid 7y ago
      That's not "tied", which would imply a contractual relationship...
      - kick 7y ago
        That's malarkey. Tied is not exclusively used to imply a "contractual relationship," and that's (if anything) a minority-usage of the idiom of tied to/with.
        ameister14 7y ago
        I think you probably should have used 'associated with' instead of 'tied to' as when discussing remuneration contractual ties is not a minority usage of the idiom.
        eganist 7y ago
        I'm not Kick, but while you're correct that "associated with" would've been better for clarity, no reasonable person would assume that "inversely tied" describes a contractually mandated drop in performance for an increase in pay (my other comment here links to dictionary.com and thesaurus.com, both good references for this discussion). Couple that with the generally accepted usage of 'tied' and the usage by Kick was correct, if perhaps ambiguous to a narrow population.
- kevlarr 7y ago
  Owns, yes. That is radically different from "funds", though. Not going to dispute anything about executive structure or Baker's compensation and (mis)management, but a lot of people here are acting like donations either go directly to the corporation or funnel to it through the actual recipient of the donations, but there isn't really any evidence being presented.
arexxbifs 7y ago
I think the Mozilla Foundation is starting to look a lot like a sinecure employer for friends of friends in the non-profit biz. Here are a few seemingly similar titles listed on their leadership page[0]: VP, Advocacy Director, Digital Engagement Director, Communications VP, Global Programs Director, Partnerships Director, Events and Training Interim Director, Leadership Programs [0]https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/about/leadership/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/about/leadership/
marcinzm 7y ago
That still doesn't answer why should I donate to Mozilla the non-profit? What do they do with my donations? According to another post they don't use them to fund Firefox or presumably any project run by the corporation side. As I see it if I wanted my donations to go to political or other activism there's more direct and better organizations to donate to with less middle management involved.
- coldpie 7y ago
  > According to another post Respectfully, HN comments aren't a great primary source. Here are some places to start your research: https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/faq/ https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/faq/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/about/public-records/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/about/public-records/ https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-fdn-2018-short-form-final-0926.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-fdn-201... https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/
  - marcinzm 7y ago
    According to https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/ the donations go to: * supporting a diverse group of fellows working on key internet issues [looking at them they all focus on advocacy and social issues rather than working on things like Firefox] * connecting open Internet leaders at events like MozFest * publishing critical research in the Internet Health Report * rallying citizens around advocacy issues that connect the wellbeing of the Internet directly to everyday life. Or in other words, exactly as the HN comment said, none of it goes to corporation projects but rather privacy and social advocacy. edit: I'm guessing the Foundation actually takes money from the Corporation to fund itself since the financial statement seems to cover both, anyone know if that's the case?

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kick 7y ago

The Mozilla Foundation controls and owns the Mozilla Corporation, and the executive structure looks more or less the same. Baker's compensation has been inversely tied with performance, and she runs both.

frandroid 7y ago
> Baker's compensation has been inversely tied with performance You've mentioned this twice in the thread now. "Inversely tied" is quite a strong and unusual claim for compensation. Care to prove it?
- poxrud 7y ago
  https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217517703914643456 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217517703914643456
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  Their salary has gone up, and firefox market share has gone down, its neither is a controversial statement
- kick 7y ago
  Happily! 2.5 million, 2018: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-fo... 2.3 million, 2017: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-fo... 1 million, 2016: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Foundation_Forms_990_Public_Disclosure.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Fo... <1 million, 2015: https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/2015_Mozilla_Foundation_Forms_990_Public_Disclosure.pdf https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/2015_Mozilla_Found... Firefox market share has been in decline (30% to <5%) for over a decade now: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/StatCounter-browser-ww-monthly-200901-201905.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/StatCoun...
  - frandroid 7y ago
    That's not "tied", which would imply a contractual relationship...
    - kick 7y ago
      That's malarkey. Tied is not exclusively used to imply a "contractual relationship," and that's (if anything) a minority-usage of the idiom of tied to/with.
      - ameister14 7y ago
        I think you probably should have used 'associated with' instead of 'tied to' as when discussing remuneration contractual ties is not a minority usage of the idiom.
        eganist 7y ago
        I'm not Kick, but while you're correct that "associated with" would've been better for clarity, no reasonable person would assume that "inversely tied" describes a contractually mandated drop in performance for an increase in pay (my other comment here links to dictionary.com and thesaurus.com, both good references for this discussion). Couple that with the generally accepted usage of 'tied' and the usage by Kick was correct, if perhaps ambiguous to a narrow population.
kevlarr 7y ago
Owns, yes. That is radically different from "funds", though. Not going to dispute anything about executive structure or Baker's compensation and (mis)management, but a lot of people here are acting like donations either go directly to the corporation or funnel to it through the actual recipient of the donations, but there isn't really any evidence being presented.

arexxbifs 7y ago

I think the Mozilla Foundation is starting to look a lot like a sinecure employer for friends of friends in the non-profit biz. Here are a few seemingly similar titles listed on their leadership page[0]: VP, Advocacy Director, Digital Engagement Director, Communications VP, Global Programs Director, Partnerships Director, Events and Training Interim Director, Leadership Programs [0]https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/about/leadership/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/about/leadership/

marcinzm 7y ago

That still doesn't answer why should I donate to Mozilla the non-profit? What do they do with my donations? According to another post they don't use them to fund Firefox or presumably any project run by the corporation side. As I see it if I wanted my donations to go to political or other activism there's more direct and better organizations to donate to with less middle management involved.

coldpie 7y ago
> According to another post Respectfully, HN comments aren't a great primary source. Here are some places to start your research: https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/faq/ https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/faq/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/about/public-records/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/about/public-records/ https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-fdn-2018-short-form-final-0926.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-fdn-201... https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/
- marcinzm 7y ago
  According to https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/ the donations go to: * supporting a diverse group of fellows working on key internet issues [looking at them they all focus on advocacy and social issues rather than working on things like Firefox] * connecting open Internet leaders at events like MozFest * publishing critical research in the Internet Health Report * rallying citizens around advocacy issues that connect the wellbeing of the Internet directly to everyday life. Or in other words, exactly as the HN comment said, none of it goes to corporation projects but rather privacy and social advocacy. edit: I'm guessing the Foundation actually takes money from the Corporation to fund itself since the financial statement seems to cover both, anyone know if that's the case?