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Why your company and employee didn't start H1B to green card conversion process?

by zerr 7y ago

jzulli 7y ago
My thoughts exactly.
- lr 7y ago
  As far as I can tell, this House-passed Bill has yet to pass the Senate: https://qz.com/india/1663752/indian-h-1b-holders-may-be-one-step-closer-to-getting-green-cards/ https://qz.com/india/1663752/indian-h-1b-holders-may-be-one-... https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/386/all-info https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/386... Therefore, someone from India can't just "start H1B to green card conversion process."
  - what_ever 7y ago
    They can start the process, it just the process won't complete for a few decades :)
_icarus_ 7y ago
Because permanent residency (green card) visa is based on the country of birth, according to this bulletin, some categories haven’t get any progress in 11 years. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/visa-bulletin/2020/visa-bulletin-for-february-2020.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/v...
safog 7y ago
Doesn't matter even if they did because GC wait times for Indians are ~50+ years right now.
jandrese 7y ago
Green cards are a joke. For some countries they are effectively impossible to get in your lifetime. That's why we have this H1B nonsense in the first place.
- unishark 7y ago
  Depends how you look at it. The countries with the longest waits are the very ones who get the most green cards. Even if everyone from India was allowed to move to the front of the line, we'd simply end up with a very long wait for everyone.
  - what_ever 7y ago
    It's an employment based GC not diversity based. The primary criteria should be how good the person is as an employee and not where they were born.
    - mring33621 7y ago
      I strongly agree with this idea.
    - unishark 7y ago
      You mean if the govt could somehow assess quality? That would be nice if you have a good idea how to do that. But companies have two priorities: one is a high skill level and the other is lower pay. If we simply removed country caps from the current system then it would be dominated by certain countries with the highest pay difference. The smartest scientist in Germany would be waiting in line behind hundreds of thousands of far-less-skilled programmers from developing countries willing to work for at-or-below market rates (in a hot market where salaries would otherwise be rising faster).
      - jandrese 7y ago
        Today the smartest scientist in India could be waiting behind hundreds of thousands of far-less-skilled programmers.
      - what_ever 7y ago
        A lot of countries have moved towards points based system. It deals with your level of education, level of experience, salaries etc. That could be a good start. And docking points based on where they were born should not be part of that. Also, smartest scientist will still get the priority via EB1 instead of lowly engineers who will get the EB3 category. This is already accounted for in the current system. so we are really talking about two lowly engineers in Germany vs India. Do you agree they should have to wait for same amount of years for employment based GC? How about two scientists from China and tiny country of Monaco?
vikascoder 7y ago
Green card processes are also not without caveats these days. Every visa extensions with or without I140s can be subjected to "administrative reviews" that can take anywhere from a month to six months. That's what the original post refers to. Lot of folks around HN have no clue about how the Trump administration has wedged a bureaucratic block at every stage of the work visa process. I am also pretty well settled in the US but will be moving to Toronto to get rid of this visa nightmare.

Why your company and employee didn't start H1B to green card conversion process?

by zerr 7y ago

Why your company and employee didn't start H1B to green card conversion process?

jzulli 7y ago

My thoughts exactly.

lr 7y ago
As far as I can tell, this House-passed Bill has yet to pass the Senate: https://qz.com/india/1663752/indian-h-1b-holders-may-be-one-step-closer-to-getting-green-cards/ https://qz.com/india/1663752/indian-h-1b-holders-may-be-one-... https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/386/all-info https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/386... Therefore, someone from India can't just "start H1B to green card conversion process."
- what_ever 7y ago
  They can start the process, it just the process won't complete for a few decades :)

_icarus_ 7y ago

Because permanent residency (green card) visa is based on the country of birth, according to this bulletin, some categories haven’t get any progress in 11 years. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/visa-bulletin/2020/visa-bulletin-for-february-2020.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/v...

safog 7y ago

Doesn't matter even if they did because GC wait times for Indians are ~50+ years right now.

jandrese 7y ago

Green cards are a joke. For some countries they are effectively impossible to get in your lifetime. That's why we have this H1B nonsense in the first place.

unishark 7y ago
Depends how you look at it. The countries with the longest waits are the very ones who get the most green cards. Even if everyone from India was allowed to move to the front of the line, we'd simply end up with a very long wait for everyone.
- what_ever 7y ago
  It's an employment based GC not diversity based. The primary criteria should be how good the person is as an employee and not where they were born.
  - mring33621 7y ago
    I strongly agree with this idea.
  - unishark 7y ago
    You mean if the govt could somehow assess quality? That would be nice if you have a good idea how to do that. But companies have two priorities: one is a high skill level and the other is lower pay. If we simply removed country caps from the current system then it would be dominated by certain countries with the highest pay difference. The smartest scientist in Germany would be waiting in line behind hundreds of thousands of far-less-skilled programmers from developing countries willing to work for at-or-below market rates (in a hot market where salaries would otherwise be rising faster).
    - jandrese 7y ago
      Today the smartest scientist in India could be waiting behind hundreds of thousands of far-less-skilled programmers.
    - what_ever 7y ago
      A lot of countries have moved towards points based system. It deals with your level of education, level of experience, salaries etc. That could be a good start. And docking points based on where they were born should not be part of that. Also, smartest scientist will still get the priority via EB1 instead of lowly engineers who will get the EB3 category. This is already accounted for in the current system. so we are really talking about two lowly engineers in Germany vs India. Do you agree they should have to wait for same amount of years for employment based GC? How about two scientists from China and tiny country of Monaco?

vikascoder 7y ago

Green card processes are also not without caveats these days. Every visa extensions with or without I140s can be subjected to "administrative reviews" that can take anywhere from a month to six months. That's what the original post refers to. Lot of folks around HN have no clue about how the Trump administration has wedged a bureaucratic block at every stage of the work visa process. I am also pretty well settled in the US but will be moving to Toronto to get rid of this visa nightmare.