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The drop from 92% to 75% isn’t the complete story, or even the more important story. The real problem is all the other nonsense people have to deal with. We h
by thawaway1837 7y ago
The drop from 92% to 75% isn’t the complete story, or even the more important story.
The real problem is all the other nonsense people have to deal with.
We have a really great employee who single handedly wrote most of the company’s build infrastructure, and was happy in the US on his H1B because while it requires renewal every 3 years, he was well paid and enjoying his life.
Until about a year and a half ago when he went back to renew his visa in India but didn’t get an approval for about 6 months. The approval process required the company to submit the salaries of the entire 15000+ global employees from the janitors to the CEO.
Once his visa was approved, he packed his bags and moved to Toronto within a couple of months. And our company has stopped hiring more tech workers in the US because they don’t want to have to deal with this anymore.
- zerr 7y agoWhy your company and employee didn't start H1B to green card conversion process?
- jzulli 7y agoMy thoughts exactly.
- lr 7y agoAs far as I can tell, this House-passed Bill has yet to pass the Senate: https://qz.com/india/1663752/indian-h-1b-holders-may-be-one-step-closer-to-getting-green-cards/ https://qz.com/india/1663752/indian-h-1b-holders-may-be-one-... https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/386/all-info https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/386... Therefore, someone from India can't just "start H1B to green card conversion process."
- what_ever 7y agoThey can start the process, it just the process won't complete for a few decades :)
- _icarus_ 7y agoBecause permanent residency (green card) visa is based on the country of birth, according to this bulletin, some categories haven’t get any progress in 11 years. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/visa-bulletin/2020/visa-bulletin-for-february-2020.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/v...
- safog 7y agoDoesn't matter even if they did because GC wait times for Indians are ~50+ years right now.
- jandrese 7y agoGreen cards are a joke. For some countries they are effectively impossible to get in your lifetime. That's why we have this H1B nonsense in the first place.
- unishark 7y agoDepends how you look at it. The countries with the longest waits are the very ones who get the most green cards. Even if everyone from India was allowed to move to the front of the line, we'd simply end up with a very long wait for everyone.
- what_ever 7y agoIt's an employment based GC not diversity based. The primary criteria should be how good the person is as an employee and not where they were born.
- mring33621 7y agoI strongly agree with this idea.
- unishark 7y agoYou mean if the govt could somehow assess quality? That would be nice if you have a good idea how to do that. But companies have two priorities: one is a high skill level and the other is lower pay. If we simply removed country caps from the current system then it would be dominated by certain countries with the highest pay difference. The smartest scientist in Germany would be waiting in line behind hundreds of thousands of far-less-skilled programmers from developing countries willing to work for at-or-below market rates (in a hot market where salaries would otherwise be rising faster).
- jandrese 7y agoToday the smartest scientist in India could be waiting behind hundreds of thousands of far-less-skilled programmers.
- vikascoder 7y agoGreen card processes are also not without caveats these days. Every visa extensions with or without I140s can be subjected to "administrative reviews" that can take anywhere from a month to six months. That's what the original post refers to. Lot of folks around HN have no clue about how the Trump administration has wedged a bureaucratic block at every stage of the work visa process. I am also pretty well settled in the US but will be moving to Toronto to get rid of this visa nightmare.
- linuxftw 7y ago> And our company has stopped hiring more tech workers in the US because they don’t want to have to deal with this anymore So, your company only hires people on visas? That's outrageous.
- scarface74 7y agoYou quoted that he said he stopped hiring tech workers in the US how did you get out of that he only hires people with Visas instead of he stopped hiring people in the US period.
- hwbehrens 7y ago> because they don’t want to have to deal with this anymore I think it's a reasonable conclusion for the parent to draw, since domestic workers wouldn't have to "deal with this". Thus, stopping all hiring to avoid dealing with visa problems implies a linkage between hiring and visas.
- scarface74 7y agoFair enough. I read the original post as accusing the employer of only hiring people who were not here on a visa (illegal and I feel immoral). If he just didn’t want to deal with hiring people in the US because of the current insane political climate with respect to foreigners, I don’t blame him if he has an alternative. Yes I was born and raised in the US.
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- juskrey 7y agoWhy did he go back to India to do that?
- hwbehrens 7y agoMany visa renewals require the applicants to do so from the US embassy in their home country.
- the_svd_doctor 7y agoYou cannot renew a visa from within the US
- gautamdivgi 7y agoIt was possible - pre 9/11. It was stopped after that and never restarted.
- eplanit 7y agoSo, doing business in the US is only good for you if you hire non-US workers? Not a lot of sympathy for that, really.
- cheese4242 7y agoYep. If they don't want US workers, it seems the logical thing to do would be to move the business out of the US.
- akhilcacharya 7y agoAlmost as though companies want to hire the best person for the job...
- eplanit 7y agoWhere "best" = "cheapest", true.
- phenkdo 7y agoGet off the entitlement high horse! what you snidely dismiss as "cheap" is what companies can afford to pay. Most businesses aren't FAANG and treading water mostly. Would you apply the "no shortage if you pay enough" argument for housing, healthcare or education etc. ? Sauce for the goose == sauce for the gander
- devmunchies 7y agoso do you also agree that there should be no minimum wage for small companies?
- cheese4242 7y agoSounds like these companies don't have viable business models then.
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- robk 7y agoWas your company Infosys or TCS?