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Apps could be a valuable tool if we were willing to really change how we vote: put candidates in order of preference. Doing that on paper is not intuitive. Th

Apps could be a valuable tool if we were willing to really change how we vote: put candidates in order of preference. Doing that on paper is not intuitive. The problem is, established politicians and politicos know and prefer the complex game that they know: one vote + electoral college.

madeofpalk 7y ago
It's not? Putting numbers 1-5 in boxes isn't intuitive?
- thomk 7y ago
  No, unfortunately not. You will get people who will put all 1s or a 6 here and there.
  - hadrien01 7y ago
    Ranked choice voting is already used by multiple countries with no problem
  - madeofpalk 7y ago
    Australia manages to do it... Hell, not saying its great, but in the last election you could vote 1-6 "above the line", or IIRC 1-105 below the line https://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/practice/practice-senate.htm https://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/practice/practice-...
- ben_w 7y ago
  You’d be surprised. The UK had a referendum on this in 2011, where the scheme was rejected without controversy, and the “no” argument I remember from the time was that this is too complicated: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternat... And yes, I am aware this system is already used in many places.
Juliate 7y ago
The issue is that, if one cannot reasonably trust a voting process, the vote is null in effect. Humans cannot trust what they cannot understand and cannot verify. A paper-based voting procedure, and counting procedure provide these guarantees: understanding and verification, through real-time, peer-based counting & review. Any other automatic system cannot bring, at this point, the same guarantees, where you have to trust: 1) the people/system that built the system, 2) the process they used that ensures against any wrong-doing. It is low-tech. And that's a good thing. No high-tech alternative provides the same value & the same guarantees at the same time.
gumby 7y ago
I don’t know how “non intuitive “ it is, Mate — Australia’s been doing it for over a century.
BlueTemplar 7y ago
Personal smartphones running iOS/Android are such a huge security risk that I don't see this happening...

madeofpalk 7y ago

It's not? Putting numbers 1-5 in boxes isn't intuitive?

thomk 7y ago
No, unfortunately not. You will get people who will put all 1s or a 6 here and there.
- hadrien01 7y ago
  Ranked choice voting is already used by multiple countries with no problem
- madeofpalk 7y ago
  Australia manages to do it... Hell, not saying its great, but in the last election you could vote 1-6 "above the line", or IIRC 1-105 below the line https://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/practice/practice-senate.htm https://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/practice/practice-...
ben_w 7y ago
You’d be surprised. The UK had a referendum on this in 2011, where the scheme was rejected without controversy, and the “no” argument I remember from the time was that this is too complicated: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternat... And yes, I am aware this system is already used in many places.

Juliate 7y ago

The issue is that, if one cannot reasonably trust a voting process, the vote is null in effect. Humans cannot trust what they cannot understand and cannot verify. A paper-based voting procedure, and counting procedure provide these guarantees: understanding and verification, through real-time, peer-based counting & review. Any other automatic system cannot bring, at this point, the same guarantees, where you have to trust: 1) the people/system that built the system, 2) the process they used that ensures against any wrong-doing. It is low-tech. And that's a good thing. No high-tech alternative provides the same value & the same guarantees at the same time.

gumby 7y ago

I don’t know how “non intuitive “ it is, Mate — Australia’s been doing it for over a century.

BlueTemplar 7y ago

Personal smartphones running iOS/Android are such a huge security risk that I don't see this happening...