I think most of what can realistically move to high level languages already has (minus legacy code). Java and VB was the first mainstream wave, C# the second. T

I think most of what can realistically move to high level languages already has (minus legacy code). Java and VB was the first mainstream wave, C# the second. They're sometimes still lumped in with "systems" programming, but I don't think that's a useful description. As such, when I talk about C++, you can assume I'm excluding situations where a managed, VM'd language would work fine. Calling C# or Java a "better C" is therefore not terribly useful. C is not good at the things C# is good at and vice versa. I use about 6 or 7 different languages on a regular basis, and often the only choice is between C and C++. I'm not sure where you're going with the second paragraph. C and C++ were never popular for general web app development.