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Some claimants are so hilariously (or nefariously?) wrong too. My partner uploaded a video of her playing Greensleeves on violin. Though it only has about 10 vi

by jbob2000 7y ago

Some claimants are so hilariously (or nefariously?) wrong too. My partner uploaded a video of her playing Greensleeves on violin. Though it only has about 10 views, it received a claim from some random company in the states. Greensleeves was written sometime in the 16th century. That a company set themselves up an automated tool to search for people playing this song tells me that they are either idiots, or greedily trying to steal revenue from YouTubers.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago
> they are either idiots, or greedily trying to steal revenue from YouTubers. Third option: some record label set up an automated system and indiscriminately fed it all the music they've produced. They didn't consider the edge case of "recordings we own of public domain songs."
- penagwin 7y ago
  In some cases the company making the claim doesn't even own the IP. I remember a case where the youtuber NerdCubed had his Portal videos copyright claimed, even though Valve themselves explicitly states that making videos of their games (and cutscenes) is perfectly okay. When he contacted Valve they responded - "We didn't make the youtube claim". So SOMEBODY did, but not the actual owners.
  - wolco 7y ago
    Sounds like a new business model. Make claims against semi-popular youtubers and get them to agree to share revenue. The best part is you don't need to own the ip you make a claim against. If they challenge take maximum amount of time and withdraw challenge. Keep repeating for new videos until the channel agrees.
- MereInterest 7y ago
  That sounds like it could fall under either of the categories listed, but definitely falls under either foolishness or greed.
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    It's nonchalance. They put in the minimum amount of effort because they aren't the ones who'll be hurt by the side effects. You could certainly describe that behavior as greedy, but it isn't an active attempt to steal revenue.
- dariusj18 7y ago
  There needs to be stiff civil penalties for companies acting in bad faith and/or not doing due diligence.
- JohnFen 7y ago
  > some record label set up an automated system and indiscriminately fed it all the music they've produced. So, both idiots and greedy, then.
- catalogia 7y ago
  In creating an automated indiscriminate system that has no mind for false positives or public domain songs, they've established themselves as idiots at best.
cormullion 7y ago
I used a track from the Open Goldberg Variations (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Goldberg_Variations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Goldberg_Variations) recorded by pianist Kimiko Douglass-Ishizaka. Some company sent me a copyright claim presumably for a different recording... Perhaps the automated technology can't easily distinguish different performances...
TurkishPoptart 7y ago
What a ridiculous absurdity. More light should be shed on this case.
dredmorbius 7y ago
Frank London, "Copyright is Theft", 2008 https://pastebin.com/raw/EnvbijQR https://pastebin.com/raw/EnvbijQR

Wowfunhappy 7y ago

> they are either idiots, or greedily trying to steal revenue from YouTubers. Third option: some record label set up an automated system and indiscriminately fed it all the music they've produced. They didn't consider the edge case of "recordings we own of public domain songs."

penagwin 7y ago
In some cases the company making the claim doesn't even own the IP. I remember a case where the youtuber NerdCubed had his Portal videos copyright claimed, even though Valve themselves explicitly states that making videos of their games (and cutscenes) is perfectly okay. When he contacted Valve they responded - "We didn't make the youtube claim". So SOMEBODY did, but not the actual owners.
- wolco 7y ago
  Sounds like a new business model. Make claims against semi-popular youtubers and get them to agree to share revenue. The best part is you don't need to own the ip you make a claim against. If they challenge take maximum amount of time and withdraw challenge. Keep repeating for new videos until the channel agrees.
MereInterest 7y ago
That sounds like it could fall under either of the categories listed, but definitely falls under either foolishness or greed.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  It's nonchalance. They put in the minimum amount of effort because they aren't the ones who'll be hurt by the side effects. You could certainly describe that behavior as greedy, but it isn't an active attempt to steal revenue.
dariusj18 7y ago
There needs to be stiff civil penalties for companies acting in bad faith and/or not doing due diligence.
JohnFen 7y ago
> some record label set up an automated system and indiscriminately fed it all the music they've produced. So, both idiots and greedy, then.
catalogia 7y ago
In creating an automated indiscriminate system that has no mind for false positives or public domain songs, they've established themselves as idiots at best.

cormullion 7y ago

I used a track from the Open Goldberg Variations (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Goldberg_Variations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Goldberg_Variations) recorded by pianist Kimiko Douglass-Ishizaka. Some company sent me a copyright claim presumably for a different recording... Perhaps the automated technology can't easily distinguish different performances...

TurkishPoptart 7y ago

What a ridiculous absurdity. More light should be shed on this case.

dredmorbius 7y ago

Frank London, "Copyright is Theft", 2008 https://pastebin.com/raw/EnvbijQR https://pastebin.com/raw/EnvbijQR