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Actually the thing is, CP isnt clearly defined. It's what anybody ASSUMES is CP, as well as what a lawyer can convince a jury it is. So if he just had some Lol

Actually the thing is, CP isnt clearly defined. It's what anybody ASSUMES is CP, as well as what a lawyer can convince a jury it is. So if he just had some Loli hentai, they could charge him with CP, even if it isn't CP.

pc86 7y ago
Can explain what you mean by "it's what anybody assumes is CP?"
- bitwize 7y ago
  It means if the arresting officer or prosecutor thinks you have CP, you will be charged with CP possession and perpwalked into the courtroom as a likely child molester in the eyes of the public. It will take an expensive trial to exonerate you if all you have is a Japanese erotic manga involving 100-year-old vampires who look six. But in the eyes of the public, accusation is guilt when it comes to serious sex crimes. So, good luck finding a job. But, in this case, you have to remember that the FBI is perhaps one of the world's largest possessors and distributors of CP. For purposes of law enforcement, of course. And they have a way of "discovering" CP on the hard drives of espionage suspects at risk of exposing how the national-security sausage gets made...
  - ouid 7y ago
    drawings of children are not CP unless they are of a real person. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalit...
    - sillysaurusx 7y ago
      StyleGAN makes this a bit more complicated. I wonder if AI-generated CP would count as CP. It's fake, but it would look real.
      - zionic 7y ago
        Well that's a new nightmare. Could the government then charge github contributors with production?
        dsfyu404ed 7y ago
        They could certainly bring the charges. It'd probably get tossed by a court. Whether it's the first court or the supreme court is the million dollar question.
        lonelappde 7y ago
        Why? How is an ML model different from an encrypted or encoded or phitoshoppes CP image? It comes down to whether the jurists decide that your data was built from CP content.
        LeoTinnitus 7y ago
        It would get tossed immediately. That's like saying that because someone developed the internet, they're responsible for making it easier to distribute CP. Also it's like saying because you are a gun manufacturer, you're responsible for murder deaths with firearms. Or a rope manufacturer is responsible for suicides.
    - LeoTinnitus 7y ago
      While personally I do find it a tad creepy, I'd 100% rather pervs draw it than actually exploit children. It's a solution that too many right wing morons would never be satisfied with.
  - numpad0 7y ago
    And japanese looks six anyway by the way.
  - pc86 7y ago
    I understand what you mean but man "100-year-old vampires who look six" as an example made my stomach turn. Nobody is masturbating to the fact that they're centenarian vampires.
- numpad0 7y ago
  So how do you define it?
- lostgame 7y ago
  He just did. Loli hentai is a perfect example of borderline - biggest thing with drawings is no physical children are actually hurt.
- speeder 7y ago
  I think he meant literally that. For example: There was one guy that the jury was going to convict him for possession of CP, because he had videos of an adult actress that was asian and had small breasts, and so people believed her to be a child... The only reason he was not convicted, is that when internet found out about it, they got in touch with the actress, that then personally went to the guy trial, and personally handed to the judge her ID and her studio documents, to prove she was adult when she made the movies. EDIT: if someone remembers the name of the actress in question, please post it, I can't remember it and for some reason I am not finding it either... Juts so people know I am not inventing things.
  - notdang 7y ago
    She is Colombian, not Asian. Her name is Lupe Fuentes https://nypost.com/2010/04/24/a-trial-star-is-porn/ https://nypost.com/2010/04/24/a-trial-star-is-porn/
- deleted 7y ago
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Alex3917 7y ago
> So if he just had some Loli hentai, they could charge him with CP, even if it isn't CP. https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/16/national/supreme-court-strikes-down-ban-on-virtual-child-pornography.html https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/16/national/supreme-court-st...
- LeoTinnitus 7y ago
  That may be true, but how many lay people selected for jury duty know that? Also how many are going to believe a defendant where a lawyer says it's not illegal? They don't care if it's legal or not. They think it's abhorrent and will sentence you to a fate you now how to spend YEARS to get through the supreme court...again!
RHSeeger 7y ago
You can be charged for possession of child porn for pictures of yourself, and be charged as an adult for it (even though you're a minor as far as the images are concerned). The rules are overly broad to give the courts/cops the ability to stop the bad guys. The problem comes in when, in many cases, they're using those powers in a way that makes _them_ the bad guys; but then it's too late.

pc86 7y ago

Can explain what you mean by "it's what anybody assumes is CP?"

bitwize 7y ago
It means if the arresting officer or prosecutor thinks you have CP, you will be charged with CP possession and perpwalked into the courtroom as a likely child molester in the eyes of the public. It will take an expensive trial to exonerate you if all you have is a Japanese erotic manga involving 100-year-old vampires who look six. But in the eyes of the public, accusation is guilt when it comes to serious sex crimes. So, good luck finding a job. But, in this case, you have to remember that the FBI is perhaps one of the world's largest possessors and distributors of CP. For purposes of law enforcement, of course. And they have a way of "discovering" CP on the hard drives of espionage suspects at risk of exposing how the national-security sausage gets made...
- ouid 7y ago
  drawings of children are not CP unless they are of a real person. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalit...
  - sillysaurusx 7y ago
    StyleGAN makes this a bit more complicated. I wonder if AI-generated CP would count as CP. It's fake, but it would look real.
    - zionic 7y ago
      Well that's a new nightmare. Could the government then charge github contributors with production?
      - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
        They could certainly bring the charges. It'd probably get tossed by a court. Whether it's the first court or the supreme court is the million dollar question.
        lonelappde 7y ago
        Why? How is an ML model different from an encrypted or encoded or phitoshoppes CP image? It comes down to whether the jurists decide that your data was built from CP content.
        LeoTinnitus 7y ago
        It would get tossed immediately. That's like saying that because someone developed the internet, they're responsible for making it easier to distribute CP. Also it's like saying because you are a gun manufacturer, you're responsible for murder deaths with firearms. Or a rope manufacturer is responsible for suicides.
  - LeoTinnitus 7y ago
    While personally I do find it a tad creepy, I'd 100% rather pervs draw it than actually exploit children. It's a solution that too many right wing morons would never be satisfied with.
- numpad0 7y ago
  And japanese looks six anyway by the way.
- pc86 7y ago
  I understand what you mean but man "100-year-old vampires who look six" as an example made my stomach turn. Nobody is masturbating to the fact that they're centenarian vampires.
numpad0 7y ago
So how do you define it?
lostgame 7y ago
He just did. Loli hentai is a perfect example of borderline - biggest thing with drawings is no physical children are actually hurt.
speeder 7y ago
I think he meant literally that. For example: There was one guy that the jury was going to convict him for possession of CP, because he had videos of an adult actress that was asian and had small breasts, and so people believed her to be a child... The only reason he was not convicted, is that when internet found out about it, they got in touch with the actress, that then personally went to the guy trial, and personally handed to the judge her ID and her studio documents, to prove she was adult when she made the movies. EDIT: if someone remembers the name of the actress in question, please post it, I can't remember it and for some reason I am not finding it either... Juts so people know I am not inventing things.
- notdang 7y ago
  She is Colombian, not Asian. Her name is Lupe Fuentes https://nypost.com/2010/04/24/a-trial-star-is-porn/ https://nypost.com/2010/04/24/a-trial-star-is-porn/
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Alex3917 7y ago

> So if he just had some Loli hentai, they could charge him with CP, even if it isn't CP. https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/16/national/supreme-court-strikes-down-ban-on-virtual-child-pornography.html https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/16/national/supreme-court-st...

LeoTinnitus 7y ago
That may be true, but how many lay people selected for jury duty know that? Also how many are going to believe a defendant where a lawyer says it's not illegal? They don't care if it's legal or not. They think it's abhorrent and will sentence you to a fate you now how to spend YEARS to get through the supreme court...again!

RHSeeger 7y ago

You can be charged for possession of child porn for pictures of yourself, and be charged as an adult for it (even though you're a minor as far as the images are concerned). The rules are overly broad to give the courts/cops the ability to stop the bad guys. The problem comes in when, in many cases, they're using those powers in a way that makes _them_ the bad guys; but then it's too late.