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>Does enough of a % of humanity have the patience to persevere? Don't worry about humanity, just see what you can do for yourself. >Both are slow, and humanit

>Does enough of a % of humanity have the patience to persevere? Don't worry about humanity, just see what you can do for yourself. >Both are slow, and humanity wants / needs to wake up now. If you are making a baby, do you want one which is made 9 months or one which comes earlier? Everything has it's time, for someone it takes less time, for some - more, but this is just how it goes, if you are taking shortcuts with life you just fooling yourself.

thelittleone 7y ago
>Don't worry about humanity, just see what you can do for yourself. Thanks I do appreciate that view and one that is often said. Healing starts with us. Heal yourself, heal the world etc. So I went to see what I could do for myself. And I found that helping others was how I helped myself. So I think that often suggested philosophy is simple on the surface but actually quite the paradox. > if you are taking shortcuts with life you just fooling yourself. What is a shortcut? Isn't part of improving as an individual or species about finding ways to do things more efficiently? With less time or energy or resources.
- mapcars 7y ago
  >is simple on the surface but actually quite the paradox That is an important observation, on many levels. One of them is that right things do not have to fit into our logic, eg they can be paradoxical. By "right" I mean what works, not moral or something. By shortcut I mean to get to big experiences quickly. In yoga they always talk about stability and discipline because if there is no stable enough base big experiences might be too overwhelming.
  - thelittleone 7y ago
    > By shortcut I mean to get to big experiences quickly. According to the Zen Buddhism "enlightenment takes no time, it can happen in a single, split second". That being said in total agreement that having a base can make for a safer, deeper experience and or more lasting results.
    - mapcars 7y ago
      >"enlightenment takes no time, it can happen in a single, split second". It can or it can not. Every day you can also find a bag full of cash, so are you quitting your job already? :D (This is by no means some authoritative or profound answer, just how I feel it now)
collyw 7y ago
> if you are taking shortcuts with life you just fooling yourself. Psychedelics got me started meditating. I see value in both.
- mapcars 7y ago
  Same with Ram Dass, and probably many others. It's a hardcore way for one to see that there actually is "something else", otherwise whole thing sounds phony. Though psychedelics can only give a glimpse, the effect inevitably wears off creating an addiction.
  - collyw 7y ago
    > the effect inevitably wears off creating an addiction. Quite the opposite in my experience. The effect wears off, but it doesn't create an addiction.
    - mapcars 7y ago
      By addiction here I don't mean strong physical addiction, rather understanding that ability to have great experience depends on something external.

thelittleone 7y ago

>Don't worry about humanity, just see what you can do for yourself. Thanks I do appreciate that view and one that is often said. Healing starts with us. Heal yourself, heal the world etc. So I went to see what I could do for myself. And I found that helping others was how I helped myself. So I think that often suggested philosophy is simple on the surface but actually quite the paradox. > if you are taking shortcuts with life you just fooling yourself. What is a shortcut? Isn't part of improving as an individual or species about finding ways to do things more efficiently? With less time or energy or resources.

mapcars 7y ago
>is simple on the surface but actually quite the paradox That is an important observation, on many levels. One of them is that right things do not have to fit into our logic, eg they can be paradoxical. By "right" I mean what works, not moral or something. By shortcut I mean to get to big experiences quickly. In yoga they always talk about stability and discipline because if there is no stable enough base big experiences might be too overwhelming.
- thelittleone 7y ago
  > By shortcut I mean to get to big experiences quickly. According to the Zen Buddhism "enlightenment takes no time, it can happen in a single, split second". That being said in total agreement that having a base can make for a safer, deeper experience and or more lasting results.
  - mapcars 7y ago
    >"enlightenment takes no time, it can happen in a single, split second". It can or it can not. Every day you can also find a bag full of cash, so are you quitting your job already? :D (This is by no means some authoritative or profound answer, just how I feel it now)

collyw 7y ago

> if you are taking shortcuts with life you just fooling yourself. Psychedelics got me started meditating. I see value in both.

mapcars 7y ago
Same with Ram Dass, and probably many others. It's a hardcore way for one to see that there actually is "something else", otherwise whole thing sounds phony. Though psychedelics can only give a glimpse, the effect inevitably wears off creating an addiction.
- collyw 7y ago
  > the effect inevitably wears off creating an addiction. Quite the opposite in my experience. The effect wears off, but it doesn't create an addiction.
  - mapcars 7y ago
    By addiction here I don't mean strong physical addiction, rather understanding that ability to have great experience depends on something external.