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“Experiencing 5-MeO-DMT is this amazing feeling of ‘oceanic bliss,’” she says. “By experiencing this profound connection with the universe and all living beings

“Experiencing 5-MeO-DMT is this amazing feeling of ‘oceanic bliss,’” she says. “By experiencing this profound connection with the universe and all living beings, one gets the feeling that we’re incredibly lucky to have even been birthed on this beautiful planet.” One can achieve this through yoga, and not for 20 minutes trip but as a constant state of experience.

thelittleone 7y ago
Perhaps true but after how many years of yoga? Does enough of a % of humanity have the patience to persevere? Yoga is great. Meditation is great. Both are slow, and humanity wants / needs to wake up now.
- mapcars 7y ago
  >Does enough of a % of humanity have the patience to persevere? Don't worry about humanity, just see what you can do for yourself. >Both are slow, and humanity wants / needs to wake up now. If you are making a baby, do you want one which is made 9 months or one which comes earlier? Everything has it's time, for someone it takes less time, for some - more, but this is just how it goes, if you are taking shortcuts with life you just fooling yourself.
  - thelittleone 7y ago
    >Don't worry about humanity, just see what you can do for yourself. Thanks I do appreciate that view and one that is often said. Healing starts with us. Heal yourself, heal the world etc. So I went to see what I could do for myself. And I found that helping others was how I helped myself. So I think that often suggested philosophy is simple on the surface but actually quite the paradox. > if you are taking shortcuts with life you just fooling yourself. What is a shortcut? Isn't part of improving as an individual or species about finding ways to do things more efficiently? With less time or energy or resources.
    - mapcars 7y ago
      >is simple on the surface but actually quite the paradox That is an important observation, on many levels. One of them is that right things do not have to fit into our logic, eg they can be paradoxical. By "right" I mean what works, not moral or something. By shortcut I mean to get to big experiences quickly. In yoga they always talk about stability and discipline because if there is no stable enough base big experiences might be too overwhelming.
      - thelittleone 7y ago
        > By shortcut I mean to get to big experiences quickly. According to the Zen Buddhism "enlightenment takes no time, it can happen in a single, split second". That being said in total agreement that having a base can make for a safer, deeper experience and or more lasting results.
        mapcars 7y ago
        >"enlightenment takes no time, it can happen in a single, split second". It can or it can not. Every day you can also find a bag full of cash, so are you quitting your job already? :D (This is by no means some authoritative or profound answer, just how I feel it now)
  - collyw 7y ago
    > if you are taking shortcuts with life you just fooling yourself. Psychedelics got me started meditating. I see value in both.
    - mapcars 7y ago
      Same with Ram Dass, and probably many others. It's a hardcore way for one to see that there actually is "something else", otherwise whole thing sounds phony. Though psychedelics can only give a glimpse, the effect inevitably wears off creating an addiction.
      - collyw 7y ago
        > the effect inevitably wears off creating an addiction. Quite the opposite in my experience. The effect wears off, but it doesn't create an addiction.
        mapcars 7y ago
        By addiction here I don't mean strong physical addiction, rather understanding that ability to have great experience depends on something external.
- AdmiralGinge 7y ago
  Jung was famously sceptical of psychedelics, telling people to "beware of unearned knowledge". I think he might have a point, especially considering how much human culture dating back to our earliest records apparently warns of the same thing. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Pandora's Box etc, the idea crops up everywhere. I certainly don't think we should have the destructive, Puritan regime of prohibition in place (it was pretty much an excuse to arrest members of the left-wing counterculture in the 1960s rather than any genuine public health concern), but completely heading in the other direction isn't a good idea either. The cultures that have used psychedelics for millenia have lots of cultural/spiritual practices around them to make them safer, just taking a pill and thinking you're ready to meet God without any sort of preparation is a recipe for going spectacularly mad.
collyw 7y ago
A ten day silent vipassana meditation retreat gave me a similar feeling to a low dose of psychedelics. Ten days free is more difficult to come by then some mushrooms for me. And its difficult to fit the recommended two hours of meditation per day in. So I am aware that you can achieve similar experiences naturally, it seems like a lot more time / effort. (It was a mushroom trip that got me started meditating).

thelittleone 7y ago

Perhaps true but after how many years of yoga? Does enough of a % of humanity have the patience to persevere? Yoga is great. Meditation is great. Both are slow, and humanity wants / needs to wake up now.

mapcars 7y ago
>Does enough of a % of humanity have the patience to persevere? Don't worry about humanity, just see what you can do for yourself. >Both are slow, and humanity wants / needs to wake up now. If you are making a baby, do you want one which is made 9 months or one which comes earlier? Everything has it's time, for someone it takes less time, for some - more, but this is just how it goes, if you are taking shortcuts with life you just fooling yourself.
- thelittleone 7y ago
  >Don't worry about humanity, just see what you can do for yourself. Thanks I do appreciate that view and one that is often said. Healing starts with us. Heal yourself, heal the world etc. So I went to see what I could do for myself. And I found that helping others was how I helped myself. So I think that often suggested philosophy is simple on the surface but actually quite the paradox. > if you are taking shortcuts with life you just fooling yourself. What is a shortcut? Isn't part of improving as an individual or species about finding ways to do things more efficiently? With less time or energy or resources.
  - mapcars 7y ago
    >is simple on the surface but actually quite the paradox That is an important observation, on many levels. One of them is that right things do not have to fit into our logic, eg they can be paradoxical. By "right" I mean what works, not moral or something. By shortcut I mean to get to big experiences quickly. In yoga they always talk about stability and discipline because if there is no stable enough base big experiences might be too overwhelming.
    - thelittleone 7y ago
      > By shortcut I mean to get to big experiences quickly. According to the Zen Buddhism "enlightenment takes no time, it can happen in a single, split second". That being said in total agreement that having a base can make for a safer, deeper experience and or more lasting results.
      - mapcars 7y ago
        >"enlightenment takes no time, it can happen in a single, split second". It can or it can not. Every day you can also find a bag full of cash, so are you quitting your job already? :D (This is by no means some authoritative or profound answer, just how I feel it now)
- collyw 7y ago
  > if you are taking shortcuts with life you just fooling yourself. Psychedelics got me started meditating. I see value in both.
  - mapcars 7y ago
    Same with Ram Dass, and probably many others. It's a hardcore way for one to see that there actually is "something else", otherwise whole thing sounds phony. Though psychedelics can only give a glimpse, the effect inevitably wears off creating an addiction.
    - collyw 7y ago
      > the effect inevitably wears off creating an addiction. Quite the opposite in my experience. The effect wears off, but it doesn't create an addiction.
      - mapcars 7y ago
        By addiction here I don't mean strong physical addiction, rather understanding that ability to have great experience depends on something external.
AdmiralGinge 7y ago
Jung was famously sceptical of psychedelics, telling people to "beware of unearned knowledge". I think he might have a point, especially considering how much human culture dating back to our earliest records apparently warns of the same thing. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Pandora's Box etc, the idea crops up everywhere. I certainly don't think we should have the destructive, Puritan regime of prohibition in place (it was pretty much an excuse to arrest members of the left-wing counterculture in the 1960s rather than any genuine public health concern), but completely heading in the other direction isn't a good idea either. The cultures that have used psychedelics for millenia have lots of cultural/spiritual practices around them to make them safer, just taking a pill and thinking you're ready to meet God without any sort of preparation is a recipe for going spectacularly mad.

collyw 7y ago

A ten day silent vipassana meditation retreat gave me a similar feeling to a low dose of psychedelics. Ten days free is more difficult to come by then some mushrooms for me. And its difficult to fit the recommended two hours of meditation per day in. So I am aware that you can achieve similar experiences naturally, it seems like a lot more time / effort. (It was a mushroom trip that got me started meditating).