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Yes, that's true. But if I'm opening up the terminal because the UI is glitchy I'll just use Ubuntu...

by throwawayjava 7y ago

sbuk 7y ago
Anicdata: in my experience, this is genuinely a Firefox issue. Happens to me in Windows and Linux too.
- regularfry 7y ago
  It may be caused by Firefox, but "being robust to misbehaving applications" is one of the qualities it's reasonable to expect from an OS.
  - sbuk 7y ago
    It is, but when it affects all OSs and the offending software is using its own UI stack, it’s the app, not the OS.
    - andrewflnr 7y ago
      It's the app, but also all the OS's. You're allowed to say that the problem is "every component involved is behaving badly".
      - sbuk 7y ago
        You are, doesn't mean it's correct. Look at it this way. It's been happening for a while, on multiple platforms, where other software isn't exhibiting the problem, applying Occam's razor suggests the issue lies with the software. I accept your point of view, but the GP was suggesting this is another in a long list of bugs introduced into Catalina. Since, anecdotally, I have first hand experience of this affecting me on other platforms as well as previous macOS versions, logic and reason suggest that the problem was not in fact introduced in Catalina, but lies squarely at the foot of Mozilla. Not everything is fair and balanced. I believe, in this case, that Mozilla are solely at fault, not any of the OS vendors/distributors. Apologies if this comes across as tetchy; I've been dealing with pettiness and unreasonableness all day. My intention was not to defend Apple (or anyone else) or to besmirch Mozilla. I was merely trying to be helpful by pointing out that this problem affects the same software in the same way on different platform.
        regularfry 7y ago
        The alternative interpretation is that Firefox is a particularly effective toolkit for finding OS bugs. No OS should ever fall over because of a misbehaving application. That's one of their fundamental jobs, and failing at it is a defect. The fact that all the major OSes do doesn't vindicate them; nor is it particularly surprising that Catalina doesn't pull away from the pack. It is, however, disappointing.
        sbuk 7y ago
        > The alternative interpretation is that Firefox is a particularly effective toolkit for finding OS bugs. That is one way of looking at it. I'd argue that it's not a particularly usefully of looking at it. Ideologies aside, your last sentence says a lot. The fact remains that buggy software from a cross platform vendor is causing this issue across the platforms they provide the software for. Be under no illusion, the issue is Mozilla's a no-one else.
favadi 7y ago
On Ubuntu, I still have to do Alt + F2, restart every few days to reset the graphical glitch.

Yes, that's true. But if I'm opening up the terminal because the UI is glitchy I'll just use Ubuntu...

sbuk 7y ago

Anicdata: in my experience, this is genuinely a Firefox issue. Happens to me in Windows and Linux too.

regularfry 7y ago
It may be caused by Firefox, but "being robust to misbehaving applications" is one of the qualities it's reasonable to expect from an OS.
- sbuk 7y ago
  It is, but when it affects all OSs and the offending software is using its own UI stack, it’s the app, not the OS.
  - andrewflnr 7y ago
    It's the app, but also all the OS's. You're allowed to say that the problem is "every component involved is behaving badly".
    - sbuk 7y ago
      You are, doesn't mean it's correct. Look at it this way. It's been happening for a while, on multiple platforms, where other software isn't exhibiting the problem, applying Occam's razor suggests the issue lies with the software. I accept your point of view, but the GP was suggesting this is another in a long list of bugs introduced into Catalina. Since, anecdotally, I have first hand experience of this affecting me on other platforms as well as previous macOS versions, logic and reason suggest that the problem was not in fact introduced in Catalina, but lies squarely at the foot of Mozilla. Not everything is fair and balanced. I believe, in this case, that Mozilla are solely at fault, not any of the OS vendors/distributors. Apologies if this comes across as tetchy; I've been dealing with pettiness and unreasonableness all day. My intention was not to defend Apple (or anyone else) or to besmirch Mozilla. I was merely trying to be helpful by pointing out that this problem affects the same software in the same way on different platform.
      - regularfry 7y ago
        The alternative interpretation is that Firefox is a particularly effective toolkit for finding OS bugs. No OS should ever fall over because of a misbehaving application. That's one of their fundamental jobs, and failing at it is a defect. The fact that all the major OSes do doesn't vindicate them; nor is it particularly surprising that Catalina doesn't pull away from the pack. It is, however, disappointing.
        sbuk 7y ago
        > The alternative interpretation is that Firefox is a particularly effective toolkit for finding OS bugs. That is one way of looking at it. I'd argue that it's not a particularly usefully of looking at it. Ideologies aside, your last sentence says a lot. The fact remains that buggy software from a cross platform vendor is causing this issue across the platforms they provide the software for. Be under no illusion, the issue is Mozilla's a no-one else.

favadi 7y ago

On Ubuntu, I still have to do Alt + F2, restart every few days to reset the graphical glitch.