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Windows 10 vs. Ubuntu Linux Performance on a $199 AMD Ryzen Laptop

50 points by vo2maxer 7y ago

parvenu74 7y ago
The headline is that it's a $199 laptop but the link in the article is to a $280 laptop. Is this a mistake or did the price go up?
- inetsee 7y ago
  I did a search on Walmart's site for the name of the laptop, "Motile M141", and the price came up $280, so I think it has gone up. I'd love an inexpensive AMD laptop, but I'll probably go with a Pinebook Pro. It lists at $200, and that price seems to be firm.
  - Brave-Steak 7y ago
    An AMD laptop for 200-250 would be a steal, IMO. The performance is far better (for comparison https://openbenchmarking.org/result/1912177-HU-MANJAROPO12 https://openbenchmarking.org/result/1912177-HU-MANJAROPO12) and x86 support is something I wouldn't want to pass on if I didn't have to. Unfortunately, even the cheapest ones in Germany go for at least 330 Euros.
- vo2maxer 7y ago
  It was $199 a month ago: https://www.dealnews.com/Motile-AMD-Ryzen-3-14-Laptop-for-199-free-shipping/18256591.html https://www.dealnews.com/Motile-AMD-Ryzen-3-14-Laptop-for-19...
  - adfm 7y ago
    It was $199 when the article published a few days ago. They raised the price.
- kelchm 7y ago
  The prices for both the M141 and M142 have been fluctuating on a near daily basis. I picked up the Ryzen 5 3500U M142 for $329 couple weeks ago.
shaggie76 7y ago
One thing we found that severely impacted performance on Windows was the built-in anti-virus software (Windows Defender). This came to our attention when we found one of our programs ran dramatically better on Windows 7 than 10 and we traced it back to the 7 machine not having Defender installed. We ended up optimizing our IO behavior to avoid triggering Defender and it made a huge difference. This leads me to wonder how many of these benchmarks suffer on Windows from similar problems or if Defender was disabled how much of a difference it would make.
- for_xyz 7y ago
  Defender does the scanning on CloseHandle() calls in untrusted code which can block the thread for even up to ~10ms (including other NTFS filter drivers) which is significant if you do open() close() pairs a lot. More info about the similar issue and solution is apparently to sign the application [1] [1] https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/1540#issuecomment-491721670 https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/1540#issuecomment...
  - ahartmetz 7y ago
    I wonder if my former Windows using coworkers knew about that! They were quite good though so if there was something to know at the time, they probably did. Common knowledge in the office was that Windows small file I/O performance is about 1/10th of Linux, probably due to NTFS and ACLs being expensive to evaluate.
huxflux 7y ago
Any other tips to similiar deals?
- downrightmike 7y ago
  watch the website: https://www.dealnews.com/Motile-AMD-Ryzen-3-14-Laptop-for-199-free-shipping/18256591.html https://www.dealnews.com/Motile-AMD-Ryzen-3-14-Laptop-for-19... Or Ebay has them for ~$220+
- tfolbrecht 7y ago
  Chromebooks are always cheap, but it can be a lot of work to get Linux on them.
SlipperySlope 7y ago
Better for Microsoft to skin the linux kernel with a Windows like UI. Run classic windows programs in a VM similar to the old DOS box. Problems with Windows stem from legacy code and its antiquated file system.
- yellowapple 7y ago
  Even better would be for Microsoft to contribute to Wine, or to perhaps develop a proprietary Windows-source-code-derived alternative that they could sell. It's highly unlikely that Microsoft would take either approach, but they'd be better options than putting Windows in a VM.
kelchm 7y ago
I picked up the M142 (Ryzen 5 3500U variant) a couple weeks ago for $329. I’m super happy with it for the money — there really aren’t any competitors at this price point that are in the same size/weight class. It’s even better that the RAM, NVME (2x) and wireless cards are all socketed — that’s something that most current high end ultrabooks don’t offer these days. So far I’ve added a Samsung 970 Evo Plus and installed Fedora 31. FYI there was a Motile subreddit (/r/motile) for anyone interested in discussing these further.

50 points by vo2maxer 7y ago

The headline is that it's a $199 laptop but the link in the article is to a $280 laptop. Is this a mistake or did the price go up?

inetsee 7y ago
I did a search on Walmart's site for the name of the laptop, "Motile M141", and the price came up $280, so I think it has gone up. I'd love an inexpensive AMD laptop, but I'll probably go with a Pinebook Pro. It lists at $200, and that price seems to be firm.
- Brave-Steak 7y ago
  An AMD laptop for 200-250 would be a steal, IMO. The performance is far better (for comparison https://openbenchmarking.org/result/1912177-HU-MANJAROPO12 https://openbenchmarking.org/result/1912177-HU-MANJAROPO12) and x86 support is something I wouldn't want to pass on if I didn't have to. Unfortunately, even the cheapest ones in Germany go for at least 330 Euros.
vo2maxer 7y ago
It was $199 a month ago: https://www.dealnews.com/Motile-AMD-Ryzen-3-14-Laptop-for-199-free-shipping/18256591.html https://www.dealnews.com/Motile-AMD-Ryzen-3-14-Laptop-for-19...
- adfm 7y ago
  It was $199 when the article published a few days ago. They raised the price.
kelchm 7y ago
The prices for both the M141 and M142 have been fluctuating on a near daily basis. I picked up the Ryzen 5 3500U M142 for $329 couple weeks ago.

shaggie76 7y ago

One thing we found that severely impacted performance on Windows was the built-in anti-virus software (Windows Defender). This came to our attention when we found one of our programs ran dramatically better on Windows 7 than 10 and we traced it back to the 7 machine not having Defender installed. We ended up optimizing our IO behavior to avoid triggering Defender and it made a huge difference. This leads me to wonder how many of these benchmarks suffer on Windows from similar problems or if Defender was disabled how much of a difference it would make.

for_xyz 7y ago
Defender does the scanning on CloseHandle() calls in untrusted code which can block the thread for even up to ~10ms (including other NTFS filter drivers) which is significant if you do open() close() pairs a lot. More info about the similar issue and solution is apparently to sign the application [1] [1] https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/1540#issuecomment-491721670 https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/1540#issuecomment...
- ahartmetz 7y ago
  I wonder if my former Windows using coworkers knew about that! They were quite good though so if there was something to know at the time, they probably did. Common knowledge in the office was that Windows small file I/O performance is about 1/10th of Linux, probably due to NTFS and ACLs being expensive to evaluate.

huxflux 7y ago

Any other tips to similiar deals?

downrightmike 7y ago
watch the website: https://www.dealnews.com/Motile-AMD-Ryzen-3-14-Laptop-for-199-free-shipping/18256591.html https://www.dealnews.com/Motile-AMD-Ryzen-3-14-Laptop-for-19... Or Ebay has them for ~$220+
tfolbrecht 7y ago
Chromebooks are always cheap, but it can be a lot of work to get Linux on them.

SlipperySlope 7y ago

Better for Microsoft to skin the linux kernel with a Windows like UI. Run classic windows programs in a VM similar to the old DOS box. Problems with Windows stem from legacy code and its antiquated file system.

yellowapple 7y ago
Even better would be for Microsoft to contribute to Wine, or to perhaps develop a proprietary Windows-source-code-derived alternative that they could sell. It's highly unlikely that Microsoft would take either approach, but they'd be better options than putting Windows in a VM.

kelchm 7y ago

I picked up the M142 (Ryzen 5 3500U variant) a couple weeks ago for $329. I’m super happy with it for the money — there really aren’t any competitors at this price point that are in the same size/weight class. It’s even better that the RAM, NVME (2x) and wireless cards are all socketed — that’s something that most current high end ultrabooks don’t offer these days. So far I’ve added a Samsung 970 Evo Plus and installed Fedora 31. FYI there was a Motile subreddit (/r/motile) for anyone interested in discussing these further.