> That seems similar to the way people say PIN number even though PIN itself means personal identification number. At least in Germany/German language, if you

> That seems similar to the way people say PIN number even though PIN itself means personal identification number. At least in Germany/German language, if you use such a redundant wording, you are often considered to be not very knowledgeable. In the 90s, some people even loved to point out that SMS is the name of the service - the message is an SM (oh, the funny puns that can be constructed from this fact).