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Weight loss might be hard, but it absolutely is not complicated. Perhaps the metabolic processes are, but it does really boil down to calories in/calories out,

Weight loss might be hard, but it absolutely is not complicated. Perhaps the metabolic processes are, but it does really boil down to calories in/calories out, and absolutely no amount of contrivance can change that. Life is also typically full of adversity and hardship, and managing weight is a hardship that all people share, regardless of their status. Perhaps “lazy” is a bit reductive, and everybody’s circumstance are different, but if somebody is overweight, the solution is simply to put in the effort that somebody who is not overweight puts in every day.

kohtatsu 7y ago
Your comment is still reductive. I don't put in any effort; I get away with not paying much mind to my diet, and not working out. I'm not overweight despite consuming more sugar than I should at work, and mostly consisting on milks (cow, goat, soy, coconut) and oatmeal.
- AmericanChopper 7y ago
  > I don't put in any effort Yes you do. Taking the rest of your comment at face value, there’s no way that you chow down on unhealthy food at any time and in any quantity you please. Your examples of unhealthy food (milk and oatmeal) are also not very unhealthy. You might say “but I have no desire to eat unhealthy food”, and while that would most certainly not be true, you likely have less of an appetite for it than somebody who’s overweight. But if a person who over eats unhealthy food fixed their diet, their excessive appetite would return to normal after a while. That’s simply part of settling the debt for all their accumulated poor health decisions. You also likely exercise more than a typical overweight person. I personally think it’s no effort at all to walk reasonably short distances to do things like run errands or go to a restaurant, but for somebody who lives a sedentary lifestyle, that could potentially be considered a unacceptably significant effort. You may consider the effort to be trivial, but any person who’s not overweight does some combination or eating less calories/exercising more than any person who is overweight.
  - kohtatsu 7y ago
    I do eat a lot of sweets (cookies, coffee cake, etc), probably one a day, and the milk I drink is often with some syrup; I work at a cafe. Drinks are free so I'll drink a handful day to save money; sometimes with half-and-half or heavy cream. I do get a bit of exercise making drinks, but otherwise I drive everywhere and don't walk, though I'd like to start. I imagine my weight is thanks to a combination of my height, metabolism, and not eating proper meals. (I cook with my girlfriend every now and again)
    - AmericanChopper 7y ago
      One portion of sweets per day and some syrup in your coffee is far less than “a lot”. This is also the first time I’ve ever heard of a seated role in for working a cafe.
acdha 7y ago
> Life is also typically full of adversity and hardship, and managing weight is a hardship that all people share, regardless of their status. Perhaps “lazy” is a bit reductive, and everybody’s circumstance are different, but if somebody is overweight, the solution is simply to put in the effort that somebody who is not overweight puts in every day. “Effort” isn’t quite enough here: a huge factor is lifestyle related and many people have significant barriers which are hard to change: moving to a neighborhood which makes walking/biking/transit viable is often an expensive choice and almost always disruptive. Most of the 20th century was spent getting people to sit in cars, at desks, etc. and it’s not trivial to change that.
- AmericanChopper 7y ago
  > moving to a neighborhood which makes walking/biking/transit viable is often an expensive choice and almost always disruptive Pretty weak excuse tbh. You don’t need a gym membership or a scenic park across the street to get enough exercise into your day. There are valid reasons to reserve judgement, but this isn’t one of them. Mental health arguably is. Poverty can be in a couple of ways. The cheapest food is often very unhealthy, and if you’re working for 16 hours a day then you likely have less opportunity to eat healthily (for example look at how ~60% of nurses are overweight, compared to ~40% of the general population). But for most cases, the key personality difference between an overweight person and a healthy weight person is laziness.

kohtatsu 7y ago

Your comment is still reductive. I don't put in any effort; I get away with not paying much mind to my diet, and not working out. I'm not overweight despite consuming more sugar than I should at work, and mostly consisting on milks (cow, goat, soy, coconut) and oatmeal.

AmericanChopper 7y ago
> I don't put in any effort Yes you do. Taking the rest of your comment at face value, there’s no way that you chow down on unhealthy food at any time and in any quantity you please. Your examples of unhealthy food (milk and oatmeal) are also not very unhealthy. You might say “but I have no desire to eat unhealthy food”, and while that would most certainly not be true, you likely have less of an appetite for it than somebody who’s overweight. But if a person who over eats unhealthy food fixed their diet, their excessive appetite would return to normal after a while. That’s simply part of settling the debt for all their accumulated poor health decisions. You also likely exercise more than a typical overweight person. I personally think it’s no effort at all to walk reasonably short distances to do things like run errands or go to a restaurant, but for somebody who lives a sedentary lifestyle, that could potentially be considered a unacceptably significant effort. You may consider the effort to be trivial, but any person who’s not overweight does some combination or eating less calories/exercising more than any person who is overweight.
- kohtatsu 7y ago
  I do eat a lot of sweets (cookies, coffee cake, etc), probably one a day, and the milk I drink is often with some syrup; I work at a cafe. Drinks are free so I'll drink a handful day to save money; sometimes with half-and-half or heavy cream. I do get a bit of exercise making drinks, but otherwise I drive everywhere and don't walk, though I'd like to start. I imagine my weight is thanks to a combination of my height, metabolism, and not eating proper meals. (I cook with my girlfriend every now and again)
  - AmericanChopper 7y ago
    One portion of sweets per day and some syrup in your coffee is far less than “a lot”. This is also the first time I’ve ever heard of a seated role in for working a cafe.

acdha 7y ago

> Life is also typically full of adversity and hardship, and managing weight is a hardship that all people share, regardless of their status. Perhaps “lazy” is a bit reductive, and everybody’s circumstance are different, but if somebody is overweight, the solution is simply to put in the effort that somebody who is not overweight puts in every day. “Effort” isn’t quite enough here: a huge factor is lifestyle related and many people have significant barriers which are hard to change: moving to a neighborhood which makes walking/biking/transit viable is often an expensive choice and almost always disruptive. Most of the 20th century was spent getting people to sit in cars, at desks, etc. and it’s not trivial to change that.

AmericanChopper 7y ago
> moving to a neighborhood which makes walking/biking/transit viable is often an expensive choice and almost always disruptive Pretty weak excuse tbh. You don’t need a gym membership or a scenic park across the street to get enough exercise into your day. There are valid reasons to reserve judgement, but this isn’t one of them. Mental health arguably is. Poverty can be in a couple of ways. The cheapest food is often very unhealthy, and if you’re working for 16 hours a day then you likely have less opportunity to eat healthily (for example look at how ~60% of nurses are overweight, compared to ~40% of the general population). But for most cases, the key personality difference between an overweight person and a healthy weight person is laziness.