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My own experience, which is documented there on Erowid, about 10 years ago at some ridiculous dosage ingested oral ROA, was much more akin to Psilocybin than DM

by Stevvo 7y ago

My own experience, which is documented there on Erowid, about 10 years ago at some ridiculous dosage ingested oral ROA, was much more akin to Psilocybin than DMT. i.e. not the most powerful psychedelic on the planet, but very formidable.

assadk 7y ago
What would you say is the most powerful psychedelic?
- kylek 7y ago
  Iboga or datura
  - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
    How would you compare iboga to datura (stramonium?)
  - pmoriarty 7y ago
    To anyone who might be curious to try these substances: Both iboga and datura can be deadly! Beware! Both iboga and datura have been used in traditional shamanic contexts, and ibogaine (derived from iboga) has shown some promise in treating addiction, but usually this is done with a medical team trained to handle possible dangers. I know of no remotely safe way to do datura at psychedelic dosages. Most of the datura trip reports I've read have had a nightmarish character to them, with true hallucinations (ie. ones where the user does not realize that they're experiencing something that is not there), often involve the users putting themselves and/or others in physical danger, and often result in amnesia. More can be read about iboga and datura on Erowid: https://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura.shtml https://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura.shtml https://www.erowid.org/plants/iboga/iboga.shtml https://www.erowid.org/plants/iboga/iboga.shtml
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    - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
      This might be too ‘woo’ for the HN audience, but I found the plant spirit of Datura(Jimson Weed) to be fierce and feral. I had the most intense dreams and frightening ones. For a while before I started farming, I had a garden that I allowed to go wild with invasives and weeds. From wild lettuce(soporific..as Beatrix Potter taught us) to the borderline wicked crone spirit of black nightshades to Mandrake and Mugwort and Wormwood, each plant had its own ‘spirit’, as it were.. Except Datura. Which was very scary. I never ingested or smoked them but I also never wore gloves and was very touchy feely with masses of them. Having said that, I read a lot and my impressions were probably coloured with some fancy ..but it was something I wanted and welcomed. It was a very scripted imaginary ‘trip’, I guess ..on a mental plane as a well researched enacted experience...as I am very risk averse and protective about my physical health.
      - thelittleone 7y ago
        There is a guy walking around the town of Iquitos (upper Amazon of Peru) who took a dieta with datura and tattoed his entire face green. Another guy was found naked in the street he didn't know who he was. It took months for expats to identity where he was from and find his family.
      - AdmiralGinge 7y ago
        It's one of those things I'm perfectly satisfied to read about. I have a bit of a guilty pleasure of reading trip reports of ridiculous stuff like Datura on Erowid, that alone would convince all but the hardiest souls to give it the same wide birth as the Elephant's Foot at Chernobyl.
  - collyw 7y ago
    I thought datura was considered a dissociative rather than a pscyadelic.
    - mnowicki 7y ago
      I thought it was a deliriant
monktastic1 7y ago
Just in case anyone gets the idea to try this: > As with DMT, 5-MeO-DMT has been demonstrated to be active orally when taken with an MAOI, but according to numerous reports this combination tends to be extremely unpleasant, producing a strong body load in addition to the risk of hypertensive symptoms and serotonin syndrome, and is therefore strongly advised against. https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/5-MeO-DMT https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/5-MeO-DMT

by Stevvo 7y ago

assadk 7y ago

What would you say is the most powerful psychedelic?

kylek 7y ago
Iboga or datura
- jelliclesfarm 7y ago
  How would you compare iboga to datura (stramonium?)
- pmoriarty 7y ago
  To anyone who might be curious to try these substances: Both iboga and datura can be deadly! Beware! Both iboga and datura have been used in traditional shamanic contexts, and ibogaine (derived from iboga) has shown some promise in treating addiction, but usually this is done with a medical team trained to handle possible dangers. I know of no remotely safe way to do datura at psychedelic dosages. Most of the datura trip reports I've read have had a nightmarish character to them, with true hallucinations (ie. ones where the user does not realize that they're experiencing something that is not there), often involve the users putting themselves and/or others in physical danger, and often result in amnesia. More can be read about iboga and datura on Erowid: https://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura.shtml https://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura.shtml https://www.erowid.org/plants/iboga/iboga.shtml https://www.erowid.org/plants/iboga/iboga.shtml
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  - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
    This might be too ‘woo’ for the HN audience, but I found the plant spirit of Datura(Jimson Weed) to be fierce and feral. I had the most intense dreams and frightening ones. For a while before I started farming, I had a garden that I allowed to go wild with invasives and weeds. From wild lettuce(soporific..as Beatrix Potter taught us) to the borderline wicked crone spirit of black nightshades to Mandrake and Mugwort and Wormwood, each plant had its own ‘spirit’, as it were.. Except Datura. Which was very scary. I never ingested or smoked them but I also never wore gloves and was very touchy feely with masses of them. Having said that, I read a lot and my impressions were probably coloured with some fancy ..but it was something I wanted and welcomed. It was a very scripted imaginary ‘trip’, I guess ..on a mental plane as a well researched enacted experience...as I am very risk averse and protective about my physical health.
    - thelittleone 7y ago
      There is a guy walking around the town of Iquitos (upper Amazon of Peru) who took a dieta with datura and tattoed his entire face green. Another guy was found naked in the street he didn't know who he was. It took months for expats to identity where he was from and find his family.
    - AdmiralGinge 7y ago
      It's one of those things I'm perfectly satisfied to read about. I have a bit of a guilty pleasure of reading trip reports of ridiculous stuff like Datura on Erowid, that alone would convince all but the hardiest souls to give it the same wide birth as the Elephant's Foot at Chernobyl.
- collyw 7y ago
  I thought datura was considered a dissociative rather than a pscyadelic.
  - mnowicki 7y ago
    I thought it was a deliriant

monktastic1 7y ago

Just in case anyone gets the idea to try this: > As with DMT, 5-MeO-DMT has been demonstrated to be active orally when taken with an MAOI, but according to numerous reports this combination tends to be extremely unpleasant, producing a strong body load in addition to the risk of hypertensive symptoms and serotonin syndrome, and is therefore strongly advised against. https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/5-MeO-DMT https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/5-MeO-DMT