Agreed. I have seen several "integrative" degree programs that attempt to combine business skills and some other program and the end result is always that the

Agreed. I have seen several "integrative" degree programs that attempt to combine business skills and some other program and the end result is always that the deeper, tougher (and thus, maybe more immersive coursework?) falls by the wayside. Industry (even startups) are always looking for training from universities to more closely match the applied skills that industry most clearly "needs" at the moment. I'm ambivalent about the necessity of university training for many fields today, but oppose tightly-coupled university/industry programs. Down this path lie blub schools . . . Which is quite different from saying that you shouldn't spend some time doing industry specific training (internships, apprenticeships, etc). I consider my undergrad CS experience quite successful and it was precisely the balance between the academic, fundamental CS courses and the applied, get-shit-done real world that made it work for me.