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Because the anti-nuclear mindset is too strong in Germany. We are still affected from the Chernobyl disaster (still can't eat wild boar, still can't eat mushroo

Because the anti-nuclear mindset is too strong in Germany. We are still affected from the Chernobyl disaster (still can't eat wild boar, still can't eat mushrooms from certain areas). The nuclear waste problem is also not solved and extremely expensive. Then there is politics: Nuclear plants lifetime was extended, then Fukushima happened and "overnight" lots of old plants were shut down. Germany is at 14% nuclear, 30% coal (even though all national coal mines have closed), 10% gas, 46% renewable (wind, solar, bio-gas, water, all without proper energy storage)

the8472 7y ago
> even though all national coal mines have closed If only. It's just hard coal mines that were closed. Lignite is still being open-pit mined.
H8crilA 7y ago
Wow wait where can't you eat mushrooms from? This is new to me as a European.
- martinald 7y ago
  I've never heard that either. Can't be correct.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    "I've never heard of it, so it can't be true" is a terrifyingly bad standard to set. https://www.bfs.de/EN/topics/ion/environment/foodstuffs/mushrooms-game/mushrooms-game_node.html https://www.bfs.de/EN/topics/ion/environment/foodstuffs/mush... > As a result of the Chernobyl reactor accident, certain species of mushrooms and wild game are still highly contaminated with caesium-137 in some areas of Germany.
    - martinald 7y ago
      Highly contaminated is a strong word. You'd have to eat 20kg+ of those mushrooms according to that article to reach your annual recommended amount of radition for the year. Considering how long it would take to pick 20kg of wild mushrooms I think you would be at it for a while. Bananas are also radioactive - those mushrooms maybe an order or two of magnitude more.
      - Mirioron 7y ago
        20 kg doesn't sound too much at all. I know some people who pick a few dozen buckets of mushrooms every year.
      - pujjad 7y ago
        I've just made an Ottolenghi recipe-based mushroom lasagne with 2.4 kg mushrooms the other week. Eaten over two days, very delicious and wouldn't mind it more often.
- _ph_ 7y ago
  The bavarian forests are partially still strongly contaminated in the ground. As a result, certain species of mushrooms can collect radioactive contamination. And wild boar likes to eat mushrooms, so can be even stronger contaminated over time. In general you can eat mushroooms and wild boar, but it is recommended to do so not too regularly, if they come from one of the stronger affected parts.
- Symbiote 7y ago
  There are also restrictions on livestock and game in Northern Europe, in areas from Britain to Finland. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2019/06/08/chernobyl-33-years-on-radiation-still-impacts-scandinavian-farmers/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2019/06/08/chernobyl...
toast0 7y ago
> The nuclear waste problem is also not solved and extremely expensive. You could do what coal plants do with their nuclear waste: incinerate it and distribute it on the wind.
- ben_bai 7y ago
  I agree, looking at long term health, injurys and deaths. Coal is the worst and Nuclear the best source of energy. https://ourworldindata.org/what-is-the-safest-form-of-energy https://ourworldindata.org/what-is-the-safest-form-of-energy Personally I would like to see new and safe Nuclear power plants in Germany, preferably using what is now considered nuclear waste as fuel.
dx034 7y ago
> wild boar Where's that? Eating wild boar is quite common in Germany. I'm not sure if I'd eat imported wild boar from the Ukraine but never heard of issues with German wild boars.
- lispm 7y ago
  https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/33-jahre-nach-tschernobyl-strahlende-wildschweine-im.1001.de.html?dram:article_id=447114 https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/33-jahre-nach-tschernob... 'In south Germany there are regions where 20% of the wild boars are radioactive contaminated. The meat is not allowed to be sold.'

the8472 7y ago

> even though all national coal mines have closed If only. It's just hard coal mines that were closed. Lignite is still being open-pit mined.

H8crilA 7y ago

Wow wait where can't you eat mushrooms from? This is new to me as a European.

martinald 7y ago
I've never heard that either. Can't be correct.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  "I've never heard of it, so it can't be true" is a terrifyingly bad standard to set. https://www.bfs.de/EN/topics/ion/environment/foodstuffs/mushrooms-game/mushrooms-game_node.html https://www.bfs.de/EN/topics/ion/environment/foodstuffs/mush... > As a result of the Chernobyl reactor accident, certain species of mushrooms and wild game are still highly contaminated with caesium-137 in some areas of Germany.
  - martinald 7y ago
    Highly contaminated is a strong word. You'd have to eat 20kg+ of those mushrooms according to that article to reach your annual recommended amount of radition for the year. Considering how long it would take to pick 20kg of wild mushrooms I think you would be at it for a while. Bananas are also radioactive - those mushrooms maybe an order or two of magnitude more.
    - Mirioron 7y ago
      20 kg doesn't sound too much at all. I know some people who pick a few dozen buckets of mushrooms every year.
    - pujjad 7y ago
      I've just made an Ottolenghi recipe-based mushroom lasagne with 2.4 kg mushrooms the other week. Eaten over two days, very delicious and wouldn't mind it more often.
_ph_ 7y ago
The bavarian forests are partially still strongly contaminated in the ground. As a result, certain species of mushrooms can collect radioactive contamination. And wild boar likes to eat mushrooms, so can be even stronger contaminated over time. In general you can eat mushroooms and wild boar, but it is recommended to do so not too regularly, if they come from one of the stronger affected parts.
Symbiote 7y ago
There are also restrictions on livestock and game in Northern Europe, in areas from Britain to Finland. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2019/06/08/chernobyl-33-years-on-radiation-still-impacts-scandinavian-farmers/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2019/06/08/chernobyl...

toast0 7y ago

> The nuclear waste problem is also not solved and extremely expensive. You could do what coal plants do with their nuclear waste: incinerate it and distribute it on the wind.

ben_bai 7y ago
I agree, looking at long term health, injurys and deaths. Coal is the worst and Nuclear the best source of energy. https://ourworldindata.org/what-is-the-safest-form-of-energy https://ourworldindata.org/what-is-the-safest-form-of-energy Personally I would like to see new and safe Nuclear power plants in Germany, preferably using what is now considered nuclear waste as fuel.

dx034 7y ago

> wild boar Where's that? Eating wild boar is quite common in Germany. I'm not sure if I'd eat imported wild boar from the Ukraine but never heard of issues with German wild boars.

lispm 7y ago
https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/33-jahre-nach-tschernobyl-strahlende-wildschweine-im.1001.de.html?dram:article_id=447114 https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/33-jahre-nach-tschernob... 'In south Germany there are regions where 20% of the wild boars are radioactive contaminated. The meat is not allowed to be sold.'