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> I don't know if au jour d'aujourd'hui sounds horribly redundant in French To me it does, it's irritating, like "to go up upstairs" (“monter en haut”). But mo
by K0SM0S 7y ago
> I don't know if au jour d'aujourd'hui sounds horribly redundant in French
To me it does, it's irritating, like "to go up upstairs" (“monter en haut”). But most people evidently don't care, journalists do it all the time now.
I think it comes down to familiarity with expressions (or acronyms), as you explain. The more you internalize what a conjugate thing is, the more it becomes its own — and grammar be damned on the way, as logic evidently isn't the only path to understanding/speaking (perhaps not even the most common).
- shean_massey 7y agoI really don’t like the example of “monter en haut”. Certain verbs, like “monter” can have very different meanings without the noun. Monter en haut: to go up (not specifically stairs, contextually maybe, could just as well be an elevator or a tree house ladder for example) Monter a cheval: to get on a horses back Monter un meuble: to assemble furniture (think ikea) The noun here is not irritating, it’s essential.
- K0SM0S 7y agoI agree with the sentiment, but it's logically redundant since you cannot possibly “monter en bas”, so you should really just say “je monte”. In context, everybody knows if you're talking about the elevator or a horse (right?), and otherwise you may specify. And you're likely to add something, like “je monte chercher blabla” or “elle est montée depuis une heure”, which usually removes ambiguity. Also, there are proper ways to say “monter en haut”! — monter à l'étage, monter l'escalier, monter dans sa chambre, etc. Speaking of which, I find that it's particularly important to speak properly around kids, it reinforces good logic, thoroughness I think. My parents were like that, I've always been like that, and I guess I'll do the same to my kids, haha.
- posterboy 7y ago> otherwise you may specify thanks your majesty, queen of fuckin england was it, yea?