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Because this is generally a topic of ridicule? You don't have to look very far - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbT2sQ1GmgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb

Because this is generally a topic of ridicule? You don't have to look very far - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbT2sQ1GmgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbT2sQ1GmgY

maest 7y ago
I wouldn't use the word "generally" here. Pretty much none of the people I work with would consider this ridicule-worthy. People are aware it's not usual to have different pronouns so the reason they'd make this request must be important to them. Probably more important than it is for you to use regular pronouns. So if it's important, why ridicule them? (Of course, if you have evidence that they're doing it on a whim or for frivolous reasons, then sure, you can make fun of them _for being frivolous_.) EDIT: I've watched the video you've linked to. I think it's important to understand those are comedians doing an entertainment show. They're obviously not seriously intelectually engaging the issue. And Segura even says he's fine with using people's prefered pronouns.
- wayneftw 7y ago
  Can you find an article or video about these recently manufactured pronouns that has a majority of comments that are supportive? Because I certainly can't. As I said to the other responder - even the gays are against it AFAICT since articles I've found on places like "pink news" have shown gay people mocking them as well. I find that what people say to your face at work is vastly different from what they'll say outside of work or when they really feel comfortable...anonymously online.
  - maest 7y ago
    > an article or video about these recently manufactured pronouns that has a majority of comments that are supportive I think that's the wrong measure for this. Also, there's a chance we're talking past each other - in a separate reply you mentioned changing the pronoun based on the other person's mood. I think that's an extreme case, particularly because it's impractical (which is the source of a lot of these jokes). Separately, imagine one of your friends comes to you and says 'wayneftw, I have done some serious thinking and I disagree with how society views my gender. I know it's an uncommon request, but this is important to me: I would like you to use these pronouns when referring to me." Would you comply? Or would you mock them?
komali2 7y ago
So... You're on the side of people that want to be allowed to make fun of people that care deeply about being acknowledged as a chosen identity? You find this position defensible somehow?
- wayneftw 7y ago
  Oh absolutely. The word police can fucking suck my big one hard. I'll call you "he" or "she" and you can pick one. I'm not changing how I reference you based on your mood and I'm not using any other recently manufactured pronouns ever. The vast majority of Americans are on my side here. Look around at comments on articles and videos about fake pronouns. Even the majority of gays are against it. It's absolutely 100% a fucking laughing stock of a subject. If you can't see that, then you're blind.

Because this is generally a topic of ridicule? You don't have to look very far - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbT2sQ1GmgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbT2sQ1GmgY

maest 7y ago

I wouldn't use the word "generally" here. Pretty much none of the people I work with would consider this ridicule-worthy. People are aware it's not usual to have different pronouns so the reason they'd make this request must be important to them. Probably more important than it is for you to use regular pronouns. So if it's important, why ridicule them? (Of course, if you have evidence that they're doing it on a whim or for frivolous reasons, then sure, you can make fun of them _for being frivolous_.) EDIT: I've watched the video you've linked to. I think it's important to understand those are comedians doing an entertainment show. They're obviously not seriously intelectually engaging the issue. And Segura even says he's fine with using people's prefered pronouns.

wayneftw 7y ago
Can you find an article or video about these recently manufactured pronouns that has a majority of comments that are supportive? Because I certainly can't. As I said to the other responder - even the gays are against it AFAICT since articles I've found on places like "pink news" have shown gay people mocking them as well. I find that what people say to your face at work is vastly different from what they'll say outside of work or when they really feel comfortable...anonymously online.
- maest 7y ago
  > an article or video about these recently manufactured pronouns that has a majority of comments that are supportive I think that's the wrong measure for this. Also, there's a chance we're talking past each other - in a separate reply you mentioned changing the pronoun based on the other person's mood. I think that's an extreme case, particularly because it's impractical (which is the source of a lot of these jokes). Separately, imagine one of your friends comes to you and says 'wayneftw, I have done some serious thinking and I disagree with how society views my gender. I know it's an uncommon request, but this is important to me: I would like you to use these pronouns when referring to me." Would you comply? Or would you mock them?

komali2 7y ago

So... You're on the side of people that want to be allowed to make fun of people that care deeply about being acknowledged as a chosen identity? You find this position defensible somehow?

wayneftw 7y ago
Oh absolutely. The word police can fucking suck my big one hard. I'll call you "he" or "she" and you can pick one. I'm not changing how I reference you based on your mood and I'm not using any other recently manufactured pronouns ever. The vast majority of Americans are on my side here. Look around at comments on articles and videos about fake pronouns. Even the majority of gays are against it. It's absolutely 100% a fucking laughing stock of a subject. If you can't see that, then you're blind.