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> The viral sequences, most researchers say, also knock down the idea the pathogen came from a virology institute in Wuhan. I missed how the article explains

> The viral sequences, most researchers say, also knock down the idea the pathogen came from a virology institute in Wuhan. I missed how the article explains how this is not possible after raising the issue? IF the Wuhan lab accidentally released it, then it'd be a researcher looking at bats to stop possible incidents like this outbreak, than analysing the results in a lab like Wuhan. They might even get military funding to help pay part of the bills. This seems to be literally what the people in the article are doing. I have no idea where all their funding comes from but the Chinese military would have to have ties of some sort to these high end labs. How do "The viral sequences ... knock down the idea the pathogen came from a virology institute in Wuhan" exactly?

chrisco255 7y ago
They literally collected bat virus samples from all over China, from very remote locations and brought them to their lab for study. Bat cave solves mystery of deadly SARS virus — and suggests new outbreak could occur (2017) "To clinch the case, a team led by Shi Zheng-Li and Cui Jie of the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China sampled thousands of horseshoe bats in locations across the country." https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-07766-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-07766-9 I don't think it was engineered per se, but let's not pretend that chaos theory isn't a thing. It's very realistic that this virus could have mutated on its own, in the lab, and infected a worker.
Ensorceled 7y ago
Ah, your missing the true nature of the 'idea'. As my dinner guest said last night, the theory making the rounds is that Wuhan virus is a man-made virus created in Wuhan and released to make money off the 'soon to be released' anti-viral or vaccination. That's the idea that has been knocked down by showing that this is a relative of natural occuring virii.
- ngcc_hk 7y ago
  Or like sars in Beijing caught by 1 staff via the 10,000 bats and leaked accidentally. The search goes on.
molticrystal 7y ago
This statement seems the closest for that conclusion: >Bedford’s analyses of RaTG13 and 2019-nCoV suggest that the two viruses shared a common ancestor 25 to 65 years ago, an estimate he arrived at by combining the difference in nucleotides between the viruses with the presumed rates of mutation in other coronaviruses. So it likely took decades for RaTG13-like viruses to mutate into 2019-nCoV. But if the mutations are natural, that just means it wasn't engineered, it doesn't mean like you have stated, that it excludes storage in a lab at some point. Also not all activity happens in the lab, for all we know it could of been outside the lab and an affiliate exposed during capturing or during transport of bats to sample, breathing in virus particles exhaled or otherwise exuded by the bats, perhaps when their guard was down, not expecting to get sick.
jrs95 7y ago
Yeah it doesn't actually knock down shit, just means that either are possible. So... It changes nothing.

chrisco255 7y ago

They literally collected bat virus samples from all over China, from very remote locations and brought them to their lab for study. Bat cave solves mystery of deadly SARS virus — and suggests new outbreak could occur (2017) "To clinch the case, a team led by Shi Zheng-Li and Cui Jie of the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China sampled thousands of horseshoe bats in locations across the country." https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-07766-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-07766-9 I don't think it was engineered per se, but let's not pretend that chaos theory isn't a thing. It's very realistic that this virus could have mutated on its own, in the lab, and infected a worker.

Ensorceled 7y ago

Ah, your missing the true nature of the 'idea'. As my dinner guest said last night, the theory making the rounds is that Wuhan virus is a man-made virus created in Wuhan and released to make money off the 'soon to be released' anti-viral or vaccination. That's the idea that has been knocked down by showing that this is a relative of natural occuring virii.

ngcc_hk 7y ago
Or like sars in Beijing caught by 1 staff via the 10,000 bats and leaked accidentally. The search goes on.

molticrystal 7y ago

This statement seems the closest for that conclusion: >Bedford’s analyses of RaTG13 and 2019-nCoV suggest that the two viruses shared a common ancestor 25 to 65 years ago, an estimate he arrived at by combining the difference in nucleotides between the viruses with the presumed rates of mutation in other coronaviruses. So it likely took decades for RaTG13-like viruses to mutate into 2019-nCoV. But if the mutations are natural, that just means it wasn't engineered, it doesn't mean like you have stated, that it excludes storage in a lab at some point. Also not all activity happens in the lab, for all we know it could of been outside the lab and an affiliate exposed during capturing or during transport of bats to sample, breathing in virus particles exhaled or otherwise exuded by the bats, perhaps when their guard was down, not expecting to get sick.

jrs95 7y ago

Yeah it doesn't actually knock down shit, just means that either are possible. So... It changes nothing.