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Is this simply a move to sow seeds of confusion or point to something more fundamentally wrong with java.net? I visited java.net recently to find out more abou

by smackay 16y ago

Is this simply a move to sow seeds of confusion or point to something more fundamentally wrong with java.net? I visited java.net recently to find out more about the Java Advanced Imaging project (which I discovered has some issues) but after seeing page after page of locked projects it will be a long time before I return, if ever.

Lewisham 16y ago
The reason Jenkins nee Hudson was moving to GitHub in the first place was that Java.net was fundamentally broken; long outages, SVN was clearly not the right way for a project like Hudson to be run (commits came from all plugin authors, so the repo was touched constantly), fairly useless interface. The week long unnotified outage was just the final straw, the community had been asking for GitHub for a long time. That they've now done this shows just how bitter, twisted and mercenary they've become. After this whole affair started from a move to GitHub, it's now magically the right thing? I very much doubt it. It's Oracle doing everything they can to try and screw Kohsuke and Jenkins. Note that this is the same Jason Van Zyl that passive-aggressively deleted Kohsuke's edit history from the Hudson wiki.
- masklinn 16y ago
  > this is the same Jason Van Zyl that passive-aggressively deleted Kohsuke's edit history I don't think this was passive at all. It was an aggressive-aggressive action, his response to Kohsuke's inquiries on the subject were passive-aggressive.
  - brown9-2 16y ago
    I'm not sure who has been coming off worse in these post-fork actions - Oracle or Sonatype (Van Zyl's company).
    - masklinn 16y ago
      I'd say Oracle: most developers are already primed to hate them, and Sonatype is mostly seen as a side-dish/complicit. They also are pretty much unknown, so I'd expect most people to forget them soon-ish. Van Zyl himself may be in a different position, personal dislike sticks a lot more.
    - jrockway 16y ago
      Oracle already had the lowest reputation possible. Sonatype had no reputation before the incident, and now they have a bad one. So I think Sonatype loses, because the way consultants like Sonatype get hired is quite different than how Oracle products get bought. Oh well, at least it's fun to be an egomaniac that destroys communities...
jancona 16y ago
Given how long it takes to load each message in their mailing list archive, I'd say java.net has issues.

by smackay 16y ago

Lewisham 16y ago

The reason Jenkins nee Hudson was moving to GitHub in the first place was that Java.net was fundamentally broken; long outages, SVN was clearly not the right way for a project like Hudson to be run (commits came from all plugin authors, so the repo was touched constantly), fairly useless interface. The week long unnotified outage was just the final straw, the community had been asking for GitHub for a long time. That they've now done this shows just how bitter, twisted and mercenary they've become. After this whole affair started from a move to GitHub, it's now magically the right thing? I very much doubt it. It's Oracle doing everything they can to try and screw Kohsuke and Jenkins. Note that this is the same Jason Van Zyl that passive-aggressively deleted Kohsuke's edit history from the Hudson wiki.

masklinn 16y ago
> this is the same Jason Van Zyl that passive-aggressively deleted Kohsuke's edit history I don't think this was passive at all. It was an aggressive-aggressive action, his response to Kohsuke's inquiries on the subject were passive-aggressive.
- brown9-2 16y ago
  I'm not sure who has been coming off worse in these post-fork actions - Oracle or Sonatype (Van Zyl's company).
  - masklinn 16y ago
    I'd say Oracle: most developers are already primed to hate them, and Sonatype is mostly seen as a side-dish/complicit. They also are pretty much unknown, so I'd expect most people to forget them soon-ish. Van Zyl himself may be in a different position, personal dislike sticks a lot more.
  - jrockway 16y ago
    Oracle already had the lowest reputation possible. Sonatype had no reputation before the incident, and now they have a bad one. So I think Sonatype loses, because the way consultants like Sonatype get hired is quite different than how Oracle products get bought. Oh well, at least it's fun to be an egomaniac that destroys communities...

jancona 16y ago

Given how long it takes to load each message in their mailing list archive, I'd say java.net has issues.