One last comment on this, if you have like 5 guys just hacking away on some project and you feel that splitting it up into 30 micro-services is the only way to

One last comment on this, if you have like 5 guys just hacking away on some project and you feel that splitting it up into 30 micro-services is the only way to make things work then you've got problems. I'm not talking about small teams building straightforward systems. I'm talking about giant organizations building giant complicated systems, trying to design and manage that.