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TBH I'm indifferent to the rural working classes plight. I'm LGBT and they've proven time and time again that they aren't my friends (both growing up in flyover

TBH I'm indifferent to the rural working classes plight. I'm LGBT and they've proven time and time again that they aren't my friends (both growing up in flyover country and later after I escaped that wasteland by how they vote and how they treat my brothers and sisters who didn't escape). If they want to vote against our shared interests and suffer the consequences, so be it. Me and mine will keep building without them and I won't spare a moments thought for their self inflicted suffering (except to be glad it isn't me).

WillDaSilva 7y ago
I completely understand your position, and sympathize with it, but it seems a bit shortsighted given that you have to live with these people, and things won't improve for your "brothers and sisters who didn't escape" if things don't get better for them. They'll happily drag you and yours down with them. This is all to say that we're all in this together, and while your indifference towards their plight may be justified, it is not productive.
- anonsivalley652 7y ago
  In general: Give hate and antipathy no quarter. Where there is pain, it must our pain, or there will inevitably be revolution and chaos. Love without discrimination, even with those you disagree with, because they cannot be moved if we act like impetuous children by refusing to talk to them. Prejudice also cannot be convenient, or we likely possess internal inconsistencies we must face if we are to be honest and have integrity.
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- whatsmyusername 7y ago
  I don't have to live with these people anymore. Their "communities" are dieing, their businesses are failing, and their smart kid leave. The only question is whether those fools death throes doom the rest of us. Hilariously, on the fringes they're being supplanted by refugees from metro areas that got priced out. Those people are bringing sanity to the wasteland with them like pilgrims in an unholy land. From my perspective, I can do little to nothing to influence how all this plays out besides voting, living my life as I see fit, and directing my time and attention toward those I deem worthy. And that's exactly what I'm going to do. "You could see that they were ready to be friends with anyone who was friendly and didn't give a fig for anyone who wasn't." C.S. Lewis
anonsivalley652 7y ago
Where there is pain, it must our pain and your pain too. Identity politics, hating and us-vs.-them doesn't get us anywhere but divided-and-conquered into the greedy hands of the amoral elites. Hate the ideology but not the person, or we'll convince no one and divided we fall. Do you really want to go back to segregation, lynchings or pushing LGBT+ people off buildings so long as it doesn't affect you?
- whatsmyusername 7y ago
  What are you even on about? I live in LGBT land. Copy-pasting unattributed quotes doesn't make you look smart.
eli_gottlieb 7y ago
Thanks for screwing over fellow minority groups by opposing solidaristic politics. Those of us whose identity group only makes up 2% of the population don't have the luxury of excluding anyone from coalitions -- we've never been big enough.
- whatsmyusername 7y ago
  When did I say anything against solidarity with other minority groups? That's where all my time and attention goes, not rotting rural white cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers.
almost_usual 7y ago
I’m assuming by flyover country you mean pretty much any part of the US that isn’t a major metro? Most of California is red outside of LA and the Bay Area.

WillDaSilva 7y ago

I completely understand your position, and sympathize with it, but it seems a bit shortsighted given that you have to live with these people, and things won't improve for your "brothers and sisters who didn't escape" if things don't get better for them. They'll happily drag you and yours down with them. This is all to say that we're all in this together, and while your indifference towards their plight may be justified, it is not productive.

anonsivalley652 7y ago
In general: Give hate and antipathy no quarter. Where there is pain, it must our pain, or there will inevitably be revolution and chaos. Love without discrimination, even with those you disagree with, because they cannot be moved if we act like impetuous children by refusing to talk to them. Prejudice also cannot be convenient, or we likely possess internal inconsistencies we must face if we are to be honest and have integrity.
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whatsmyusername 7y ago
I don't have to live with these people anymore. Their "communities" are dieing, their businesses are failing, and their smart kid leave. The only question is whether those fools death throes doom the rest of us. Hilariously, on the fringes they're being supplanted by refugees from metro areas that got priced out. Those people are bringing sanity to the wasteland with them like pilgrims in an unholy land. From my perspective, I can do little to nothing to influence how all this plays out besides voting, living my life as I see fit, and directing my time and attention toward those I deem worthy. And that's exactly what I'm going to do. "You could see that they were ready to be friends with anyone who was friendly and didn't give a fig for anyone who wasn't." C.S. Lewis

anonsivalley652 7y ago

Where there is pain, it must our pain and your pain too. Identity politics, hating and us-vs.-them doesn't get us anywhere but divided-and-conquered into the greedy hands of the amoral elites. Hate the ideology but not the person, or we'll convince no one and divided we fall. Do you really want to go back to segregation, lynchings or pushing LGBT+ people off buildings so long as it doesn't affect you?

whatsmyusername 7y ago
What are you even on about? I live in LGBT land. Copy-pasting unattributed quotes doesn't make you look smart.

eli_gottlieb 7y ago

Thanks for screwing over fellow minority groups by opposing solidaristic politics. Those of us whose identity group only makes up 2% of the population don't have the luxury of excluding anyone from coalitions -- we've never been big enough.

whatsmyusername 7y ago
When did I say anything against solidarity with other minority groups? That's where all my time and attention goes, not rotting rural white cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers.

almost_usual 7y ago

I’m assuming by flyover country you mean pretty much any part of the US that isn’t a major metro? Most of California is red outside of LA and the Bay Area.